Brand new sports car
Discussion
All,
Please check out: www.coram-automotive.com
Let us know what you think!
Steve Turner
Coram Automotive Ltd
Please check out: www.coram-automotive.com
Let us know what you think!
Steve Turner
Coram Automotive Ltd
Website's difficult to read, most of the text is coming out on top of other text. Picture looks ... interesting ... though.
I've picked out a price of £11k, I think - is that right? It really is hard to read. Sounds pretty good value-for-looks if that's right.
Would you like me to test drive it for you and write a review?
John.
John.
I've picked out a price of £11k, I think - is that right? It really is hard to read. Sounds pretty good value-for-looks if that's right.
Would you like me to test drive it for you and write a review?
John.
John.
Sorry to hear that the web-site's playing up - I checked it 5 min's ago and it was fine. I'll pass your comments onto our web designer to see if he can resolve it.
What system are you using (Win98, UNIX?) and what browser?
You were right in picking out £11k inc. VAT for a kit. This includes all new parts except donor bits, wheels and tyres, reverse box and engine. A factory built, turnkey car will be £17,995 inc VAT.
We've had many offers of test drives! If this is offered in an official capacity, then we may be interested. However, we'll be offering test rides in the car at Donington when we launch in September so you're welcome to come along then to experience it.
Steve.
What system are you using (Win98, UNIX?) and what browser?
You were right in picking out £11k inc. VAT for a kit. This includes all new parts except donor bits, wheels and tyres, reverse box and engine. A factory built, turnkey car will be £17,995 inc VAT.
We've had many offers of test drives! If this is offered in an official capacity, then we may be interested. However, we'll be offering test rides in the car at Donington when we launch in September so you're welcome to come along then to experience it.
Steve.
I think this looks like a cracking car.
I have a couple of suggestions/questions if I may. Firstly I think photos on the website would be better than the sketch. (even if the cars not finished, I would like to see the "real McCoy") and views from various angles would be nice.
I like the idea of high power option (V6/V8), is the car aiming to compete with the Ultima? (similar styling, absolute stunning performance, but seriously more expensive than your car)
Is there a version with a roof in the pipeline? British weather and that. I think a "GT Sports" look would be absolutely excellent on this car. The alternative is a torneau cover or similar.
Many thanks, I wish you lots of luck with this venture.
I have a couple of suggestions/questions if I may. Firstly I think photos on the website would be better than the sketch. (even if the cars not finished, I would like to see the "real McCoy") and views from various angles would be nice.
I like the idea of high power option (V6/V8), is the car aiming to compete with the Ultima? (similar styling, absolute stunning performance, but seriously more expensive than your car)
Is there a version with a roof in the pipeline? British weather and that. I think a "GT Sports" look would be absolutely excellent on this car. The alternative is a torneau cover or similar.
Many thanks, I wish you lots of luck with this venture.
Thanks for the support, it's really appreciated!
We have a roofed version in the pipeline, but it won't be launched until the first car is established. However, that car will definitely have similar styling cues in that it will look like the racers that can be seen on the GT/Le Mans series.
We will be publishing pictures in the near future, but we're keen to maximise the impact at launch so we'll only be drip feeding them onto the site until the launch itself.
John,
If you're familiar with the various race and sprint tracks in Scotland then you'll know where we'll be shaking down the prototype...
Steve.
We have a roofed version in the pipeline, but it won't be launched until the first car is established. However, that car will definitely have similar styling cues in that it will look like the racers that can be seen on the GT/Le Mans series.
We will be publishing pictures in the near future, but we're keen to maximise the impact at launch so we'll only be drip feeding them onto the site until the launch itself.
John,
If you're familiar with the various race and sprint tracks in Scotland then you'll know where we'll be shaking down the prototype...
Steve.
Looks fun, and good value.
I would avoid any reference to the Sierra as it's an old, ugly car and smacks of maxpower modifications. TVR don't mention that they use Ford Sierra brakes, Cavalier indicator stalks etc. Fine, mention that some standard Ford parts are used to keep costs down etc.
It is hard to make money from this type of car, as Strathcarron found out. Their car was not as civilised (!) as a Lotus Elise, but not as wild as a Caterham/Westfield and fell between two stools. So I am told it wasn't a good enough road car nor a good enough track car, or even a good compromise like a TVR.
Finding an empty niche will not be easy - good luck!!
R
I would avoid any reference to the Sierra as it's an old, ugly car and smacks of maxpower modifications. TVR don't mention that they use Ford Sierra brakes, Cavalier indicator stalks etc. Fine, mention that some standard Ford parts are used to keep costs down etc.
It is hard to make money from this type of car, as Strathcarron found out. Their car was not as civilised (!) as a Lotus Elise, but not as wild as a Caterham/Westfield and fell between two stools. So I am told it wasn't a good enough road car nor a good enough track car, or even a good compromise like a TVR.
Finding an empty niche will not be easy - good luck!!
R
quote:
All,
Please check out: www.coram-automotive.com
Let us know what you think!
Steve Turner
Coram Automotive Ltd
You again ! - first Evo, now Pistonheads - what next - Scoobynet ?
OK I can see it all now, don't know what was going on before? Or have you fixed something?
Looks good anyway, but I agree about referring to Sierra parts. People don't need to know that, and it doesn't sound good.
You could just say, eg, "a number of components have been sourced from a major manufacturer to keep costs under control" - or something concise to that effect.
Let me know when you're testing the prototype - unless it's to be secret (
). I don't get to tracks much but I could be persuaded 
If I can persuade the wife ...
Looks good anyway, but I agree about referring to Sierra parts. People don't need to know that, and it doesn't sound good.
You could just say, eg, "a number of components have been sourced from a major manufacturer to keep costs under control" - or something concise to that effect.
Let me know when you're testing the prototype - unless it's to be secret (
). I don't get to tracks much but I could be persuaded If I can persuade the wife ... To echo the sentiments of those already expressed, I think the car should be kept as raw and perfomance orientated as possible. I think possibly where Strathcarron fell down was that I don't think they offered the option of building it yourself. To me this is the main fascination/appeal of these types of cars.
I guess the main competitors will be the Westfield XTR2 and the Radical, so I'm intrigued by the larger engine options which the rivals don't seem to offer.
One small point is that with the operation moving to Scotland I feel it may put some people off visiting the factory prior to buying. I think it may deter me, though so long as the company attended the major kit car shows, I wouldn't mind.
Good Luck,
Tom
I guess the main competitors will be the Westfield XTR2 and the Radical, so I'm intrigued by the larger engine options which the rivals don't seem to offer.
One small point is that with the operation moving to Scotland I feel it may put some people off visiting the factory prior to buying. I think it may deter me, though so long as the company attended the major kit car shows, I wouldn't mind.
Good Luck,
Tom
Yes, it is 'me' again! Simply promoting our company to the people that can appreciate what we're offering.
On the point of locating to Scotland: we're doing this because it allows us to manufacture our car more cheaply than our competition but without compromising quality. We can then pass on this saving and this quality to our customers.
By offering such a large saving over our competitors the cost of travelling to the factory to view the car can be offset and a significant saving can still be made. Domestic flights are now so cheap and quick that the distance problem becomes less of an issue. Besides, we WILL be attending all the major kit-car and motoring shows, including Autosport 2003.
We also have future plans to have agents based around the country so that you have an even better opportunity to view the car. We are by no means tucking ourselves away and hoping that people will come knocking on the door!
Besides, if a customer does decide to travel to the factory, they will be able to take advantage of a test drive on empty country roads. Some of the best driving roads in Britain are in Scotland.
The point about using the Sierra parts is again to reduce cost. But we've quickly realised the limitations of these parts and are already designing bespoke suspension components for the car. However, the Sierra parts will allow the self-builder to keep their costs low. Factory built cars (i.e. turnkey) will be offered with the option of donor or bespoke set-ups, but we don't expect many takers for the donor bits...
In saying that, the car can be equipped with any level of parts that the customer requires - to suit almost any budget.
We're looking forward to letting people loose in this because we know that they'll love it. We are car nuts and we know what is required to bring a smile to your face, so you can rest assured that our car will not disappoint.
It is a bare bones, road legal, affordable racer. It has been designed to offer nothing more than pure driving pleasure - a toy for all the grown up kids! We make no pretentions that it's any more than that.
We'll be offering rides at Donington in September, when we launch (the show is also a track day) - so if you really want to know what it's like then come along.
Steve Turner
Coram Automotive Ltd.
On the point of locating to Scotland: we're doing this because it allows us to manufacture our car more cheaply than our competition but without compromising quality. We can then pass on this saving and this quality to our customers.
By offering such a large saving over our competitors the cost of travelling to the factory to view the car can be offset and a significant saving can still be made. Domestic flights are now so cheap and quick that the distance problem becomes less of an issue. Besides, we WILL be attending all the major kit-car and motoring shows, including Autosport 2003.
We also have future plans to have agents based around the country so that you have an even better opportunity to view the car. We are by no means tucking ourselves away and hoping that people will come knocking on the door!
Besides, if a customer does decide to travel to the factory, they will be able to take advantage of a test drive on empty country roads. Some of the best driving roads in Britain are in Scotland.
The point about using the Sierra parts is again to reduce cost. But we've quickly realised the limitations of these parts and are already designing bespoke suspension components for the car. However, the Sierra parts will allow the self-builder to keep their costs low. Factory built cars (i.e. turnkey) will be offered with the option of donor or bespoke set-ups, but we don't expect many takers for the donor bits...
In saying that, the car can be equipped with any level of parts that the customer requires - to suit almost any budget.
We're looking forward to letting people loose in this because we know that they'll love it. We are car nuts and we know what is required to bring a smile to your face, so you can rest assured that our car will not disappoint.
It is a bare bones, road legal, affordable racer. It has been designed to offer nothing more than pure driving pleasure - a toy for all the grown up kids! We make no pretentions that it's any more than that.
We'll be offering rides at Donington in September, when we launch (the show is also a track day) - so if you really want to know what it's like then come along.
Steve Turner
Coram Automotive Ltd.
quote:As has been said, TVR aren't adverse to raiding the parts bins of more humble cars, however they don't make a big thing of it. By all means use Sierra parts, but don't mention "Sierra", just say "Ford".
The point about using the Sierra parts is again to reduce cost. But we've quickly realised the limitations of these parts and are already designing bespoke suspension components for the car.
The difference between a kit car and a low-volume car is that kit cars use "donor cars" or parts from named cars (eg. "Cortina", "Sierra", etc.) whilst low-volume cars use "Ford-sourced parts" (which incidentally might well be for the Sierra, but they keep it more quiet!).
Sorry, I'm rambling.
Regards
Jon
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