How do these 'clerics' get away with spouting
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All the stuff they do about another 7/7 attack being imminent after the supposed death of ozzie B l? How can he run and actively spout the nonsense he does, potentially scaring the British public yet is allowed to live here without being 'dealt' with?
I mean, call me daft or whatever but surely if someones a threat to the state, directly or indirectly you deal with it? Surely someone like Anjem Choudary could be arrested on causing ill feeling and dealt with in some manner / given a hard time by special services?!
Excuse my ignorance on the whole thing, but it jsut seems daft that he's allowed to spout all this nonsense about future attacks against the British public yet is allowed to live here and preach his untasteful ways?
After re reading this is starting to sound a bit daily mailesque, so i apologise for that - I just cant get my head around it?!
I mean, call me daft or whatever but surely if someones a threat to the state, directly or indirectly you deal with it? Surely someone like Anjem Choudary could be arrested on causing ill feeling and dealt with in some manner / given a hard time by special services?!
Excuse my ignorance on the whole thing, but it jsut seems daft that he's allowed to spout all this nonsense about future attacks against the British public yet is allowed to live here and preach his untasteful ways?
After re reading this is starting to sound a bit daily mailesque, so i apologise for that - I just cant get my head around it?!
ge0rge said:
Excuse my ignorance on the whole thing, but it jsut seems daft that he's allowed to spout all this nonsense about future attacks against the British public yet is allowed to live here and preach his untasteful ways?
We have a freedom of speech. Whilst I agree that at times it does seem rather one way, I think it is part of what makes our country great, that we allow these kinds of scum to have their say, even if unpalatable to us.It would delight me no end however if Cameron might say something like "we have a freedom of speech which means this as***le can say these things, but he's still free to live anywhere else if this country is so terrible"....
paddyhasneeds said:
Google "londonistan".
If you want the real story, written from the inside I would read The Islamist by Ed Husain. Which has the sub title "Why I joined radical Islam in Britain, what I saw inside and why I left" It is the documentation of how disaffected youth are targeted and twisted. But more importantly what should be done to stop the rot. Miss Philips has a somewhat shrill approach that is unfortunately easy to dismiss because of her over arching personal politics. Jasandjules said:
ge0rge said:
Excuse my ignorance on the whole thing, but it jsut seems daft that he's allowed to spout all this nonsense about future attacks against the British public yet is allowed to live here and preach his untasteful ways?
We have a freedom of speech. Whilst I agree that at times it does seem rather one way, I think it is part of what makes our country great, that we allow these kinds of scum to have their say, even if unpalatable to us.It would delight me no end however if Cameron might say something like "we have a freedom of speech which means this as***le can say these things, but he's still free to live anywhere else if this country is so terrible"....
carmonk said:
Something will have to change in our cities soon. When more terrorists start coming out of London and Birmingham than Pakistan then there will need to be a clean-up.
Careful about lumping Brummie in there, Sheeda will be along to correct you on how wonderful a place that is. 
I think the problem relates to what happened after WW2, in that the victorious Nations assumed that their liberal view would, as witnessed by the UN declaration of human rights, become the accepted norm worldwide.
Remember, this view was as a result of the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis.
The instigators of the UN declaration and the liberals would, I doubt, have ever considered that their attempt to ensure individual freedom, would lead to those against liberal views using the mechanisms the liberals had provided.
Which is why we are in the mess we are in.
Remember, this view was as a result of the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis.
The instigators of the UN declaration and the liberals would, I doubt, have ever considered that their attempt to ensure individual freedom, would lead to those against liberal views using the mechanisms the liberals had provided.
Which is why we are in the mess we are in.
ks, second generation, sent to schools in the UK, with parents still presenting norms from the "homeland".rypt said:
What do they have to be disaffected about?
It's a generational thing. The first generation of immigrants knew why they came. But, as they try to bring up their kids and grandkids with their own values the mismatch with their life increases. They are becoming a lost generation. And that is prey to those that want willing victims.grumbledoak said:
It's a generational thing. The first generation of immigrants knew why they came. But, as they try to bring up their kids and grandkids with their own values the mismatch with their life increases. They are becoming a lost generation. And that is prey to those that want willing victims.
Is this not what I said above in this thread?
Jimbeaux said:
carmonk said:
Something will have to change in our cities soon. When more terrorists start coming out of London and Birmingham than Pakistan then there will need to be a clean-up.
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