Tchenguiz brothers arrested
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Zod

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in SFO raid.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/09/us-sfo-k...

Please let it be the Candys next.

Countdown

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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isn't one of the Candys dating Holly Valance?

Jammy sod smile

Zod

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anonymous said:
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If anything were to happen to him, I cannot imagine there being may tears shed.

CraigVmax

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Countdown said:
isn't one of the Candys dating Holly Valance?

Jammy sod smile
was sat by them at dinner on valentines day, she's looking a bit porky





(but still hot)

Zod

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anonymous said:
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Have you ever come across anyone who likes him?

johnnywb

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Interesting time to arrest them. Unless they've had to surrender their passports, there would have been a fairly high chance of them being in the South of France this week...

Murcielago_Boy

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Well that's no surprise - it was just a matter of time. They've been wideboys for years. And I know from an inside pal that they came from Iran with a lot of dough. He also told me that they're not actually Jewish but they pretend to be because "its good for business!".
I was in a club a few years ago when they were in there "larging it" - I'm not kidding you, they must have had a good 40 wes with them in their entourage.

I hate this way of "making" money - buy a company, strap it, pay yourself, leave.

As for Candys, I reckon One Hyde Park is failing actually. There's just too much of a PR machine behind them and it to make me feel that it's selling. You just wouldn't be in the papers that often, trying to sell it, if the units were 60% sold.

RemainAllHoof

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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I have read all the posts in this thread and have no idea what you lot are talking about. (Yes, I haven't clicked the link yet but I should have a vague idea.)

Edit: ah. biggrin

Zod

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johnnywb said:
Interesting time to arrest them. Unless they've had to surrender their passports, there would have been a fairly high chance of them being in the South of France this week...
It would be a terrible pity if they'd paid for a yacht charter at MIPIM and a party and couldn't attend.

johnnywb

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Murcielago_Boy said:
As for Candys, I reckon One Hyde Park is failing actually. There's just too much of a PR machine behind them and it to make me feel that it's selling. You just wouldn't be in the papers that often, trying to sell it, if the units were 60% sold.
I know a lot of people would like them to fail, however this scheme is going very well. There's just nothing like it and won't be an opportunity to get anything like it for a long time.

They're not home and dry by a long shot, but they're not doing too badly.

Zod

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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johnnywb said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
As for Candys, I reckon One Hyde Park is failing actually. There's just too much of a PR machine behind them and it to make me feel that it's selling. You just wouldn't be in the papers that often, trying to sell it, if the units were 60% sold.
I know a lot of people would like them to fail, however this scheme is going very well. There's just nothing like it and won't be an opportunity to get anything like it for a long time.

They're not home and dry by a long shot, but they're not doing too badly.
but I can't see who would want it. If you are spending that kind of money, you don't want to be in an apartment block with other people and you don't care about the on-site services because you employ your own people to provide those services.

Victor McDade

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Zod said:
but I can't see who would want it. If you are spending that kind of money, you don't want to be in an apartment block with other people and you don't care about the on-site services because you employ your own people to provide those services.
Aren't the type of people who will buy or who have bought these apartments worth billions anyway? It's more of a status symbol to them. Is £50 million really a lot for an Arab prince, or a corrupt Asian President?

Zod

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Victor McDade said:
Aren't the type of people who will buy or who have bought these apartments worth billions anyway? It's more of a status symbol to them. Is £50 million really a lot for an Arab prince, or a corrupt Asian President?
No, it's nothing, but they don't want to live on top of other people. They don't need this as a status symbol either.

Murcielago_Boy

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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johnnywb said:
I know a lot of people would like them to fail, however this scheme is going very well. There's just nothing like it and won't be an opportunity to get anything like it for a long time.

They're not home and dry by a long shot, but they're not doing too badly.
The development may well be going very well. But the selling? Two sold units as per land registry (one to the Qatari backers of the project, the others to Candy's themselves I believe). hmm?
For the purported prices, Eaton Sq, Belgrave Sq, Bishops Avenue blah blah (and all the other tasteless trophy hellholes) are made to look cheap. Even if you're a tasteless thieving Russian, I agree with Zod, who wants to actually live there? In that goldfish bowl?

BTW - the Candy's have already made their money out of it. After they knocked down the old Barclays building that stood on that site, they got planning and then re-valued the land. They strapped up against the revised valuation, thereby ripping the £200M/£300M uplift out of it - paid straight to Monaco.

Who (apart from the Qataris with whom they've subsequently fallen out with over Chelsea barracks) cares if it fails now? They probably only do so because they don't want to be shot by their backers.

Ken Sington

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Zod said:
It would be a terrible pity if they'd paid for a yacht charter at MIPIM and a party and couldn't attend.
They have done and can't!

loafer123

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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Vincent's clever, but I wonder if Robert is clever enough.

As someone pointed out to me this evening, if you are arrested by the SFO, you usually have to hand over your passport - I wonder if either are trying to maintain offshore tax status...?

Zod

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Wednesday 9th March 2011
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The bagman has made a lot of money through being an arrogant, unpleasant type from what I hear. I also hear that the amount of work he's done for that money is not great.

flyingjase

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Thursday 10th March 2011
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Murcielago_Boy said:
I was in a club a few years ago when they were in there "larging it" - I'm not kidding you, they must have had a good 40 wes with them in their entourage.
I've witnessed this as well, except when I saw Vincent (on his own) he only had 8 wes with him. All high class fitties of course

The word on the street is the only person with a bigger appetite for hookers than him was his old man


Charlie Sheen

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Thursday 10th March 2011
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I heard on the news last night that the 2 Billion or so they borrowed from KSF Bank was secured with shares in.....KSF Bank !! I would say that it is the Icelandic bank that made a pretty duff decision on that one.

NorthernBoy

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Thursday 10th March 2011
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johnnywb said:
I know a lot of people would like them to fail, however this scheme is going very well. There's just nothing like it and won't be an opportunity to get anything like it for a long time.

They're not home and dry by a long shot, but they're not doing too badly.
An opportunity to pay tens of millions for a flat with low ceilings, on a horrendously busy junction, with no parking, and a view of a Chicago rib shack?

No, you're likely right there; it's unlikely that we'll see an offering like this again or many a year...

I'd heard that the highest cost apartment was only "sold", as opposed to the more traditional sold, where a person unconnected to the developers hands over actual money and takes permanentposession.