UK Police Force to be hit with paycuts....

[Legend83]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12619163

Obviously a bad thing for the BIB but I can't help thinking that funding the cuts via pay-cuts across the board is better in the long-term than funding through mass-reduction of police numbers.

However hard it might be to swallow for the individuals themselves.

Not that mass reductions of police numbers won't happen of course...

[crankedup]

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder if the pay cuts will be top to bottom within all of the Police pay structures. Everyone now seems to be having to accept pay cuts, except one group of workers of course

[MadMullah]

as sorry as i feel for the BiB

i'd rather be in a paycut job than not have one.

[The Hypno-Toad]

Lets see now..

Possible fuel protests and riots?
Possible further tutition fees protests and riots?
Possible general leftie cuts protests and riots? (As I have mentioned before General Strike/Day of Action?)

So what's the best thing to do? I know, lets ps off the very people who are meant to protect us from all of that.

The first thing any government under pressure with riots and revolution in the air, is to make sure you are paying the BiB enough. If I was in power I'd be giving them a payrise!

If the coalition go through with this, they'll be sorrryyy!

[Digga]

I find it dispicable that we have, by circuitous route, aided by unions and lefty non-thinkning, arrived at a point where the whole Home Office annual budget is less than the annual spend on teacher's pensions.

Before I am accused of right-wing bais; figures from the Gruniad: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/doc...

[SteveScooby]

For anyone who is interested the current police pay scales are here:

http://www.policeoracle.com/pay_and_conditions/pol...

Now you're average beat officer, the person turning up to your 999 call, and dealing with drunken idiots in the city centre at the weekend will have between 4-7 years service, earning 30-32k a year.

Given that these officers work regular nights, dealing, initially at least with everything from RTCs to dead bodies, fights, rapes and everything in between, and have no rights to industrial action. 30k is hardly a fantastic salary.

[MOTORVATOR]

How does the BCC get away with this?

Pay cuts for police officers "must form part of the package" of savings earmarked for the service in England and Wales, the home secretary has said

Nowhere has the government said 'Pay Cuts' hence them juggling the quoting.

This is as I read it is a decision to not make pay increases and reduce overtime useage which would be exactly the sort of approach a struggling company in the private sector would take.

[Elroy Blue]

Cameron is as skilled at propoganda as Brown was.

Apparently I get four hours overtime for every phone call I take at home. I wish I'd thought about that nearly twenty years ago, I'd be bloody rich. Oh, and I'm apparently earning nearly £100,000/year because of overtime. The missus must be nicking that. Cameron also says that they have to pay me a fortune if they cancel my days off, which after a week of 12 hour night shifts, I waas quite looking forward to. However, I have just had mine cancelled to attend court. An e-mail that a case was on the reserve list a few weeks ago constitutes notice. I have had four hours in bed this morning, but I have now have to attend court on the rest of my days off, then back to 12 hour shifts again. No time with my family..and no overtime pay.

The papers are full of complete nonsense this morning about 'perks'. I think I'll get a bad back, go on incapacity benefit and get a free motability car. I'd be better off!

[Elroy Blue]

MOTORVATOR said:

How does the BCC get away with this?

Pay cuts for police officers "must form part of the package" of savings earmarked for the service in England and Wales, the home secretary has said

Nowhere has the government said 'Pay Cuts' hence them juggling the quoting.

This is as I read it is a decision to not make pay increases and reduce overtime useage which would be exactly the sort of approach a struggling company in the private sector would take.

Because they're cutting pay, that's bloody why!

Do you also believe that losing thousands of Officers isn't affecting frontline policing.

[sleep envy]

Elroy Blue said:

bleat, bleat, bleat

if you don't like it exercise your choice

[Sticks.]

sleep envy said:

Elroy Blue said:

bleat, bleat, bleat

if you don't like it exercise your choice

Congratulations on missing his point entirely.

[MOTORVATOR]

Elroy Blue said:

Because they're cutting pay, that's bloody why!

Do you also believe that losing thousands of Officers isn't affecting frontline policing.

Could you clarify for me whether they are cutting pay or freezing pay. The only comment I was making is that once again the meeja have worded it differently to what is actually happening, I guess for maximum hysteria effect.

[sleep envy]

Sticks. said:

sleep envy said:

Elroy Blue said:

bleat, bleat, bleat

if you don't like it exercise your choice

Congratulations on missing his point entirely.

thanks but I understood his point that Cameron is 'spinning', as any politician would do

my point is he shouldn't think he's such a special case having to go the extra two/three/four miles of added sacrifice without pay

[Elroy Blue]

sleep envy said:

if you don't like it exercise your choice

Nice, considered contribution to the debate.

But I'm just a blood sucking public sector worker, so you probably don't like listening to facts from those in the know.

Police Officers will continue to do the job, but there will be less of us, there's no fuel for the cars, our equipment is falling to pieces, but apparently the front line won't suffer. Glad to see you believe all the st Cameron is throwing at you.

[sleep envy]

Elroy Blue said:

Nice, considered contribution to the debate.

But I'm just a blood sucking public sector worker, so you probably don't like listening to facts from those in the know.

Police Officers will continue to do the job, but there will be less of us, there's no fuel for the cars, our equipment is falling to pieces, but apparently the front line won't suffer. Glad to see you believe all the st Cameron is throwing at you.

not at all

judging by your post you're well placed to carry out your job, far as long as you have it left

[Elroy Blue]

MOTORVATOR said:

Elroy Blue said:

Because they're cutting pay, that's bloody why!

Do you also believe that losing thousands of Officers isn't affecting frontline policing.

Could you clarify for me whether they are cutting pay or freezing pay. The only comment I was making is that once again the meeja have worded it differently to what is actually happening, I guess for maximum hysteria effect.

The proposals are that we do not have set hours. We will be expected to work to a 'resolution'. At the moment I work 12 hour shifts. The proposal now recommends that if a fatal RTC comes in 11 hours in, I will have to work for as long as it takes to complete the job, with no overtime.

Overtime payments will end. Full stop. They will be able to cancel all rest days and annual leave without notice or compensation. Booked a holiday..tough, you're now working. Got a day off to see your family..tough, you're working. The current regs were brought in to stop senior Officers abusing their ability to change rest days and leave.

I don't want to work overtime. 12 hours a day is quite enough. However, when I attend an RTC or arrest someone, I have no choice to work past my finish time. We already work the first half hour of overtime every day for 'free' The suggestion that we're all lauging all the way to the bank is typical, slimey politics.


The proposals will turn the Policing role into a uniformed sweatshop. The list of changes is much longer than I've mentioned, but it's an odious document and one which shows the comtempt that Politicians have for people in uniform (as the armed forces are experiencing now).

[tomw2000]

Elroy Blue said:

Nice, considered contribution to the debate.

But I'm just a blood sucking public sector worker, so you probably don't like listening to facts from those in the know.

Police Officers will continue to do the job, but there will be less of us, there's no fuel for the cars, our equipment is falling to pieces, but apparently the front line won't suffer. Glad to see you believe all the st Cameron is throwing at you.

Boo f*cking hoo.

My wife (nor any of the staff in the company she works for) hasn't has a rise in her basic pay for FOUR YEARS. Factor in rising prices, that's actually a pay cut in real terms.

This is not unusual in the private sector since 'the crunch'. I'm sure many others would confirmm that.

I myself had to come out of early retirement in August last year:

1) because "we're all in this together" and I wanted to increase the tax contributions from my household to give our glorious leaders more money to help others with
2) I didn't want to see a drop in 'lifestyle'.
3) get more savings/investments for pensions/the future

As has been said. If you don't like it, MOVE ON.

I having nothing agaist good policemen.

I do have a problem with whingeing public sector workers.

[SteveScooby]

For the record, I have no issue with having my pay frozen, I recognise that it is necessary due to the country having no money.

[sleep envy]

Elroy Blue said:

me, me, me, my, my, my

don't worry, you won't be the only one that's working past his contracted hours for no additional pay and neither will you be the first to miss out on a holiday

[ExChrispy Porker]

Good policemen ( and women) can whinge. It was one of the few pleasures we had when I left.