Fire Chief criticises "Health & Safety" culture
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
I have to say, I tend to agree with him. PH views?
I have to say, I tend to agree with him. PH views?
It's certainly heading that way. That Warwickshire case where 4 (I think) firefighters were killed in a warehouse fire. The firechiefs are now being done for man-slaughter. So exactly what were the firefighters supposed to do? Sit there and watch the building burn? And not give a damn about anyone who may be inside?
Brian should concentrate on the "not my job guv, I'm not getting extra cash" mentality amongst his firefighters...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
Top of that article mentions health & safety, but read on to find the real reason why they left that woman to die.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
Top of that article mentions health & safety, but read on to find the real reason why they left that woman to die.
The biggest driver behind insidious Health & Safety 'culture' is IMHO Blair's deregulation of legal services.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
Twincam16 said:
The biggest driver behind insidious Health & Safety 'culture' is IMHO Blair's deregulation of legal services.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
No No No its all due to the health and safety at work act that was brought in by those idiots in the Labour party
In 1974
thinfourth2 said:
Twincam16 said:
The biggest driver behind insidious Health & Safety 'culture' is IMHO Blair's deregulation of legal services.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
No No No its all due to the health and safety at work act that was brought in by those idiots in the Labour party
In 1974
Back in the '70s you never got TV adverts asking whether you'd been injured in any kind of accident at work on the assumption that it could be skewed in a way that always made it the employer's fault.
alangla said:
Brian should concentrate on the "not my job guv, I'm not getting extra cash" mentality amongst his firefighters...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
Top of that article mentions health & safety, but read on to find the real reason why they left that woman to die.
The article points out that the equipment was only to be used on the public by rescue specialist teams who had training in use of the harness on injured people. Normal crews are able to use the equipment on other (fit and well) firefighters to manoeuvre them into and out of a situation, but not the person being rescued.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
Top of that article mentions health & safety, but read on to find the real reason why they left that woman to die.
Nowhere does it imply that firefighters were somehow "working to rule" as your post (perhaps unintentionally) implies.
Twincam16 said:
That set the ball rolling, but the 'legislating for every possible thing that might happen' exploded along with the no-win no-fee sector as a result of Blair's deregulation.
Back in the '70s you never got TV adverts asking whether you'd been injured in any kind of accident at work on the assumption that it could be skewed in a way that always made it the employer's fault.
Back in the '70s you never got TV adverts asking whether you'd been injured in any kind of accident at work on the assumption that it could be skewed in a way that always made it the employer's fault.
It is the litigation trends of late that is forcing risk averse behaviour. What is missing in many cases is decent risk perception and risk awareness - most people, including professionals are rubbish at it.
fatboy b said:
It's certainly heading that way. That Warwickshire case where 4 (I think) firefighters were killed in a warehouse fire. The firechiefs are now being done for man-slaughter. So exactly what were the firefighters supposed to do? Sit there and watch the building burn? And not give a damn about anyone who may be inside?
The idea of having a professional fire service is that they're supposed to be able to fight fires and rescue people without getting killed themselves.Twincam16 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Twincam16 said:
The biggest driver behind insidious Health & Safety 'culture' is IMHO Blair's deregulation of legal services.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
Health & Safety is a laudable thing on its own, but in reality all it should really amount to is a solitary H&S officer checking things before they go ahead to make sure they're safe within reason. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing wrong with that.
Deregulation was just an excuse to cut the legal aid budget and effectively privatise whole chunks of legal aid. So, instead of people with genuine grievances appealing to the government for legal representation and having to make a case that justifies using taxpayer's money to fight, you now have hordes of cheap law firms infesting every down-at-heel high street, and worse, actively seeking 'customers' through TV adverts and direct 'sales' in the street.
Whereas under legal aid one might have had to prove a degree of reality and common sense, thanks to Blair's approval of the no-win no-fee structure, companies can be expected to be sued for liability by absolutely anyone over absolutely anything. As a result, small businesses can't afford the insurance, and larger businesses have health & safety departments working overtime and spending shedloads of money to prevent things that would never have happened in the first place.
I'm also convinced this also affects the intrusive level of 'safety' equipment considered 'necessary' on new cars.
This was all 'supposed' to save the taxpayer money by reducing the legal aid bill, but in reality it's made everything more expensive as we all pay for the legislating and budgeting for measures to prevent the stupid from injuring themselves or hurting their feelings.
But never forget that Blair is a lawyer by trade. That's where his loyalties always lay.
No No No its all due to the health and safety at work act that was brought in by those idiots in the Labour party
In 1974
Back in the '70s you never got TV adverts asking whether you'd been injured in any kind of accident at work on the assumption that it could be skewed in a way that always made it the employer's fault.
ks.This is f
k all to do with either H & S legislation or deregulation. It's about the laws relating to Gross Negligence Manslaughter and Corporate Manslaughter which are being misapplied all over the place.The only reason H & S guidelines are being done to death is because good, sensible and committed people in all walks of life now realise that they can be held criminally responsible for the, sometimes stupid, behaviour of others in their 'care', so they avoid taking real responsibility in difficult situations.
I for one don't blame them.
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