kids bookstart cut
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petemurphy

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10,950 posts

213 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12586839

nevermind cut why isnt it abandoned?!?

kids already have access to books via libraries and schools for free why do they need more whatever their parents income?

am i missing something or are we doubling up for no reason?


Brighton Derly

597 posts

189 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Yeah, never seen the point in this scheme. Every school I went to had a library. Every town I've lived in had a library. Second hand book shops aren't hard to find. eBay's got a book section.

Penny-lope

13,645 posts

223 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Because the books are give out before school age to encourage reading at a young age.

petemurphy

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10,950 posts

213 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Penny-lope said:
Because the books are give out before school age to encourage reading at a young age.
but:

why not use a library?
who decides what books are given out
why cant amazon or some publisher sponsor it
why 3 books?
how many kids actually read them?
how green is this ( oh yes )


ninja-lewis

5,462 posts

220 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Apparently libraries are irrelevant, it's the amount of books that a child at home has access to that makes the difference.

Mobile Chicane

22,015 posts

242 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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ninja-lewis said:
Apparently libraries are irrelevant, it's the amount of books that a child at home has access to that makes the difference.
And the fact that parents make time to help their children read - even if that's from the back of the cornflakes packet.

Brighton Derly

597 posts

189 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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ninja-lewis said:
Apparently libraries are irrelevant, it's the amount number of books that a child at home has access to that makes the difference.
What children really need is a book that teaches them correct grammar. Specifically the difference between amount, number and quantity.

Edited by Brighton Derly on Saturday 26th February 14:41

Eric Mc

125,770 posts

295 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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This is a New Labour project based on the assumption that parents can't be trusted. The state MUST ensure that EVERY child has access to books whether their parents are concerned about such things or not.


mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Because for many chavs, 3 books at home is 3 more then they'll ever buy from amazon or borrow from a library wink

Eric Mc

125,770 posts

295 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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mcflurry said:
Because for many chavs, 3 books at home is 3 more then they'll ever buy from amazon or borrow from a library wink
It was part of the governments Dechavication policy.

oldbanger

4,328 posts

268 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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My only contact with bookstart was through the library - you got a free book bag and stickers if you took your pre-schooler to the library. However, I was taking her there anyway. I'm a bemused how they reach parents of preschoolers who don't go to the library, because I never heard of the initiative otherwise until she started school.

mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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oldbanger said:
My only contact with bookstart was through the library - you got a free book bag and stickers if you took your pre-schooler to the library. However, I was taking her there anyway. I'm a bemused how they reach parents of preschoolers who don't go to the library, because I never heard of the initiative otherwise until she started school.
The Surestart centres, midwives and Bounty pack women gave them out round our way smile

Mojooo

13,291 posts

210 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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petemurphy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12586839

nevermind cut why isnt it abandoned?!?

kids already have access to books via libraries and schools for free why do they need more whatever their parents income?

am i missing something or are we doubling up for no reason?
My local library has closed down.

the next one is a bus ride away (which will probably costs over £2 to get there and back + time)


I live in a fairly deprived area where the chances of the parents being arsed to take their children to the library will probably be quite low.

It will only be the poorer kids that will suffer.

petemurphy

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213 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Mojooo said:
My local library has closed down.

the next one is a bus ride away (which will probably costs over £2 to get there and back + time)


I live in a fairly deprived area where the chances of the parents being arsed to take their children to the library will probably be quite low.

It will only be the poorer kids that will suffer.
kind of pointless getting them hooked on books then..

seriously though are you saying poor people have no books in the house, know no-one with a book that they can borrow, cannot borrow one from maternity drop in centres etc, cannot get one from nursery, cannot spend £2 on ebay, cannot spend 10p at a charity shop etc etc????


Mojooo

13,291 posts

210 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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petemurphy said:
kind of pointless getting them hooked on books then..

seriously though are you saying poor people have no books in the house, know no-one with a book that they can borrow, cannot borrow one from maternity drop in centres etc, cannot get one from nursery, cannot spend £2 on ebay, cannot spend 10p at a charity shop etc etc????
No I am not saying that but if you put up barriers to the most common and easily accesible method of obtaining books then clearly less children will have access to quality books.

Some kids (like myself) went down to the library off our own backs to get books when we were younger. Its a shame that that option will not be there anymore and there will be a reliance on parents who may not give a toss.

petemurphy

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10,950 posts

213 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Mojooo said:
No I am not saying that but if you put up barriers to the most common and easily accesible method of obtaining books then clearly less children will have access to quality books.

Some kids (like myself) went down to the library off our own backs to get books when we were younger. Its a shame that that option will not be there anymore and there will be a reliance on parents who may not give a toss.
my kids cant be arsed to get fit and go to the local pool can you provide me with one of those in my garden too please wink

Mojooo

13,291 posts

210 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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petemurphy said:
my kids cant be arsed to get fit and go to the local pool can you provide me with one of those in my garden too please wink
I'll just provide them with better parents wink

petemurphy

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10,950 posts

213 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Mojooo said:
I'll just provide them with better parents wink
dam!

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

292 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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Mojooo said:
No I am not saying that but if you put up barriers to the most common and easily accesible method of obtaining books then clearly less children will have access to quality books.

Some kids (like myself) went down to the library off our own backs to get books when we were younger. Its a shame that that option will not be there anymore and there will be a reliance on parents who may not give a toss.
Both my daughters love the bus ride to the library.

Some should look upon it as...an adventure to be shared rather....than a chore that drags them away from the 'ternet....

scdan4

1,299 posts

190 months

Saturday 26th February 2011
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I like the assumption that these pre school kiddies will pick up a book and just be able to, and start reading it.

If mum and dad (or uncle, or that days special visitor) cannot be bothered to get a book for them to read, and teach them to read then having a thousand books round the house / flat / caravan won't make a jot of difference.

The statistics said that the kids who reached school age able to read / write / spell their own name had access to more than 3 books at home. Therefore if all kids have access to more than 3 books they will reach school able to read basic words. Obvious, isn't it.

Another way of avoiding addressing the crap parenting prevelent in the bottom half of society at the mo if you ask me. Books from amazon cost less than 3 quid delivered, thats 2 books per packet of fags, never mind the idea that these people might want to take responsibility for enabling their offspring with the most basic tool for life. Gubbermints fault / job innit......