GPS or speedo, which is more accurate?
GPS or speedo, which is more accurate?
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Evil.soup

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3,932 posts

221 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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As the title says really. Just a quick question after doing 1000miles at the hands of the sat-nav and it telling me that my speedo is reading about 5mph under what i am really doing. I would imagine the GPS is correct as i have heard that manufacturers set up the speedo to over read your speed by a small amount. It makes sence i guess, better over than under then face a law suit!!

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

206 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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If it;'s completely flat, the GPS should be more accurate, but add a hill, and the GPS can't account for any uphill or downhill movement, because it sees the word in two dimensions.

markmullen

15,877 posts

250 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Speedos can be over-read by up to 10% but not under-read.

GPS is accurate at a constant speed on a flat road, hills can make it less accurate and most GPS units such as satnavs only sample every second or so, fast acceleration or deceleration will make it less accurate.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

182 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Your speedo should be reading over, not under.

Tyre wear and pressure will have an effect on your speedo reading, so manufacturers will always build in a little bit of lee-way.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

222 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
If it;'s completely flat, the GPS should be more accurate, but add a hill, and the GPS can't account for any uphill or downhill movement, because it sees the word in two dimensions.
Not true, GPS can (and does in most sat-navs) work in 3 dimensions.

sinizter

3,348 posts

202 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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The GPS might not have taken the readings properly at the beginning after a stop - which might account for losing a bit of the speed.

The GPS is always more accurate than the speedo, but Garmin do allow their devices to read slightly higher than the TomTom ... But that is probably only due to rounding up for display.

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

206 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Will said:
Mr Gear said:
If it;'s completely flat, the GPS should be more accurate, but add a hill, and the GPS can't account for any uphill or downhill movement, because it sees the word in two dimensions.
Not true, GPS can (and does in most sat-navs) work in 3 dimensions.
If you dropped a GPS off a cliff, there is absolutely no way it could account for the downward movement.

Mr Will

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222 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
If you dropped a GPS off a cliff, there is absolutely no way it could account for the downward movement.
Still not true, assuming it could see enough satellites it would perfectly happily record the speed until it went smash on the rocks below. GPS works in three dimensions, it doesn't rely on having the altitudes saved as part of the map.

kambites

69,747 posts

237 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
If you dropped a GPS off a cliff, there is absolutely no way it could account for the downward movement.
I think they can do altitude if they can see enough satellites, but they tend to be shockingly inaccurate for it and I don't think the car ones typically take it into account when measuring speed, although I'm not sure.

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

206 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Will said:
Mr Gear said:
If you dropped a GPS off a cliff, there is absolutely no way it could account for the downward movement.
Still not true, assuming it could see enough satellites it would perfectly happily record the speed until it went smash on the rocks below. GPS works in three dimensions.
If you say so. Logic however, says otherwise.

kambites

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237 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
If you say so. Logic however, says otherwise.
Why? As long as they can see enough satellites, they can triangulate in 3D.

Mr Gear

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206 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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kambites said:
I think they can do altitude if they can see enough satellites, but they tend to be shockingly inaccurate for it and I don't think the car ones typically take it into account when measuring speed, although I'm not sure.
They only know altitude if they have a terrain map overlay. They can't tell altitude from the GPS signal itself, it needs to cross-reference this with a map to determine altitude.

Evil.soup

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221 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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mnkiboy said:
Your speedo should be reading over, not under.

Tyre wear and pressure will have an effect on your speedo reading, so manufacturers will always build in a little bit of lee-way.
Sorry, yes its 5mph over. It was a long drive last night!!

G0ldfysh

3,316 posts

273 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Would think that speedo should give more granularity and react faster to changes unless very high refresh rate on gps.

Evil.soup

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221 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Bloody hell, iv started something here!!

kambites

69,747 posts

237 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
They only know altitude if they have a terrain map overlay. They can't tell altitude from the GPS signal itself, it needs to cross-reference this with a map to determine altitude.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. And wikipedia (for what it's worth) agrees with me.

Fish981

1,441 posts

201 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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kambites said:
Why? As long as they can see enough satellites, they can triangulate in 3D.
They can but given the distances involved it's not very accurate.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

222 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
They only know altitude if they have a terrain map overlay. They can't tell altitude from the GPS signal itself, it needs to cross-reference this with a map to determine altitude.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

They are perfectly capable of triangulating in all three dimensions from the signals alone.

GPS works by calculating the distance between the unit and the various satellites that it can see. In a very simple example, your GPS unit can see 5 satellites; one directly north, one south, one east, one west and one directly above. Suddenly, the distance between it and the one directly above it increases, but the distance between it and all the others is staying the same. Which direction is it moving, and what part of this would the GPS unit not be able to figure out itself?

kambites

69,747 posts

237 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Fish981 said:
They can but given the distances involved it's not very accurate.
True, although IIRC, the new European system should dramatically improve that.

hilltop

48 posts

203 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Gear said:
If it;'s completely flat, the GPS should be more accurate, but add a hill, and the GPS can't account for any uphill or downhill movement, because it sees the word in two dimensions.
Gradient makes little difference. As an example take a seriously steep incline, driving 2 miles (as seen from above in 2 dimensions) and climbing 0.5 miles (that's driving to the top of Scafell Pike from Wasdale Head). Simple trig shows the distance actually driven on the incline to be 2.06 miles.