Genuinely confused...

[andymadmak]

So I was watching the news last night, and it got to the bit where Clegg was talking to the students.

I shall paraphrase........

Student: You broke your promise on student fees, how do you sleep at night?

Clegg: We didn't win the election, so we had to compromise.

Student: (much shaking of head and eye rolling) How can we trust you ever again?

Clegg: We didn't win the election and we had to compromise - have you read the Governments proposals?

Student: (much shaking of head and eye rolling) we trusted you. You said you would abolish fees

Clegg: We didn't win the election. Have you read the proposals? You'll actually be better off than you were under the old system viz repayments! Do you realise the mess labour left the country in?

Student: (much shaking of head and eye rolling) You've trippled fees and it will be hanging over me for the rest of my life!

Clegg: We didn't win the election and we had to compromise - have you actually read the proposals? You'll be better off than you were under the old system viz repayments! do you realise the mess labour left the country in? Your debts are written off after 30 years anyway. A large % will never repay their entire loan

Student: (much shaking of head and eye rolling) How can we trust you ever again?

Repeat ad nauseam..

So I'm confused. Genuinely confused. You see, I presume the BBC, when it assembled this student panel, picked representatives who had actually read the Government proposals and could therefore engage in the debate. Sadly it looked instead as though they had simply picked a bunch of spoilt loud mouths who did not know their subject and who were simply hell bent on not listening to anything they were told. Bizarrely most seemed to have been spoon fed the Nu Labour line, which they vomited out like some intestinal tourrets... How could professional broadcasters like the BBC have made such an error in selecting the panel?

[Eric Mc]

Are there any oher types of students?

[ewenm]

Expectation failure - you expected the BBC News to produce a balanced, impartial piece. A foolish expectation.

[danger mouse]

Eric Mc said:

Are there any oher types of students?

Not these days. Just the sort who think it ok to tear up the streets if their 3 to 4 four year p!ss-up fund might be threatened...

...and who pays to sort that out? The poor s0d who made his SLC/HSL payment this morning.

Nice one.

[andy400]

Eric Mc said:

Are there any other types of students?

Good call.

[FraserLFA]

Eric Mc said:

Are there any oher types of students?

Yes

[ewenm]

FraserLFA said:

Yes

All the students studying/sleeping/partying rather than those wanting their little moment of militancy. The NUS-types have always been militant and generally ignored by most students.

[Fittster]

The fact that they didn't win the election doesn't mean they should be excused from the pledges they made to the electorate before the election.

It would have been quite possible for Lib Dems MPs to have voted against the fees. They choose power over principles.

[V88Dicky]

Nobody is like forced to go to university, like.

There's always the option of like, you know, getting a job.

















Like.

[Fittster]

ewenm said:

FraserLFA said:

Yes

All the students studying/sleeping/partying rather than those wanting their little moment of militancy. The NUS-types have always been militant and generally ignored by most students.

Virtually all students are members of the NUS.

[Frankeh]

I estimate that around 80% of students are mentally retarded, and the other 20% aren't vocal unfortunately.

[Jasandjules]

andymadmak said:

How could professional broadcasters like the BBC have made such an error in selecting the panel?

This is where you went wrong, you had a belief that the BBC was a professional broadcaster seeking to present balanced news etc - a belief based on how the BBC used to operate. Yet these days it is more sensationalism and, if you want to really take a look at how it works, check out the ways in which AGW is prevailent throughout BBC shows - pension protection mode ON there......

[FraserLFA]

V88Dicky said:

Nobody is like forced to go to university, like.

Hence why the price hike seems fair. If you want something, you pay for it.

[ewenm]

Fittster said:

ewenm said:

FraserLFA said:

Yes

All the students studying/sleeping/partying rather than those wanting their little moment of militancy. The NUS-types have always been militant and generally ignored by most students.

Virtually all students are members of the NUS.

Yes, but most of them don't go on marches or get involved in the protests. I was a NUS member and didn't go on any of their demonstrations, most of my mates were the same. Some mates went along, not because they believed in the cause, but because it was a jolly to London.

[Fittster]

FraserLFA said:

V88Dicky said:

Nobody is like forced to go to university, like.

Hence why the price hike seems fair. If you want something, you pay for it.

Are you including education and health care in that statement?

[Frankeh]

FraserLFA said:

V88Dicky said:

Nobody is like forced to go to university, like.

Hence why the price hike seems fair. If you want something, you pay for it.

Woah, woah, woah. But Labour said...

[Digga]

Fittster said:

ewenm said:

FraserLFA said:

Yes

All the students studying/sleeping/partying rather than those wanting their little moment of militancy. The NUS-types have always been militant and generally ignored by most students.

Virtually all students are members of the NUS.

But most of the members are not active in the political sense but merely carry an NUS card to allow access to facilities - i.e. the Student Union bar.

[danger mouse]

Fittster said:

Virtually all students are members of the NUS.

You get 10% off in TKMaXX and have you seen the price of booze in t'Union?

Not a lot of effort to fill in a form for that.

[FraserLFA]

Fittster said:

FraserLFA said:

V88Dicky said:

Nobody is like forced to go to university, like.

Hence why the price hike seems fair. If you want something, you pay for it.

Are you including education and health care in that statement?

No. University is elitist. If you wish to continue your education on to university then there should come a point where you have to pay, especially as universities aren't run by the government.

Health care and education should be given free to all, to a point where a person can lead a healthy life and are educated to a level where they can obtain a job with a decent enough wage for them to survive. But you don't NEED university for that kind of life. University is an aid to a higher level of life in most cases, and therefore should be paid for if you personally wish to go.

[Fittster]

Digga said:

Fittster said:

ewenm said:

FraserLFA said:

Yes

All the students studying/sleeping/partying rather than those wanting their little moment of militancy. The NUS-types have always been militant and generally ignored by most students.

Virtually all students are members of the NUS.

But most of the members are not active in the political sense but merely carry an NUS card to allow access to facilities - i.e. the Student Union bar.

They certainly actively fund the NUS. Most universities have many pubs that students could and do drink in so there is certainly only a tiny proportion of students who object to the NUS's political activities.