tennis v cycling dope drug test
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- Tennis only tests the losers at the events.
Compare 2008 UCI(Pro-Cycling’s ITF)Stats with the 2008 ITF Stats:
In-competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 5,509 Urine tests and 587 Blood Tests.
ITF conducted 1,770 Urine Tests and 157 Blood Tests(only done at Slams).
Out-of- competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 2,013 Urine Tests and 4,649 Blood Tests.
ITF/WADA conducted 91 Urine Tests and 0 Blood Tests
Total Testing
UCI conducted 12,758 tests to the ITF’s 2,018.
Pre-competition medical blood screens
UCI conducted 466 tests to the ITF’s 0.
Grand Total of UCI 13,224 to the ITF’s 2,018
Please don't forget the ITF only run a small number of tournaments mainly Junior world events, Davis cup and the Slams, the ATP and WTF are responsible for testing on the main tour. Having been to lectures with the Chief Medical officer for the LTA and can tell you the tours carry out a huge number of tests, and its a minefield!!
RRS_Staffs said:
But to be fair if all your doing is mincing around a tennis court does it really matter if you are popping pills?
Cycling on the other hand.................
I can tell you that Pro players these days would run rings around atheletes from most other sports. They are some of the most busy and tough people out there so perhaps you should go see for yourself before commenting.Cycling on the other hand.................
Oh and by the way they are only paid if they win and the season is almost 11 months of the year so they dont get a chance to cry about being off injured or having a winter break to rest there poor little bodies like some other sports. in tournaments they also can play up to 5 matches in a week ( on there own) and there is nowhere to hide if your having a bad day!
a first round loser in wimbledon 2010 still won £11,000, so you dont have to win to make a living. winner of wimbledon £1m for himself.
a tour stage win is about £6,000 and 190 other guys in the bunch at same time. you may be able to hide on a bad day but very hard to win a stage. winner of the tour = £400,000 to be shared with 9 team mates
a tour stage win is about £6,000 and 190 other guys in the bunch at same time. you may be able to hide on a bad day but very hard to win a stage. winner of the tour = £400,000 to be shared with 9 team mates
just1 said:
RRS_Staffs said:
But to be fair if all your doing is mincing around a tennis court does it really matter if you are popping pills?
Cycling on the other hand.................
I can tell you that Pro players these days would run rings around atheletes from most other sports. They are some of the most busy and tough people out there so perhaps you should go see for yourself before commenting.Cycling on the other hand.................
Oh and by the way they are only paid if they win and the season is almost 11 months of the year so they dont get a chance to cry about being off injured or having a winter break to rest there poor little bodies like some other sports. in tournaments they also can play up to 5 matches in a week ( on there own) and there is nowhere to hide if your having a bad day!
Sheesh - professional tennis players are pussies - I should know, went riding with one on Sunday!
cervelo said:
a first round loser in wimbledon 2010 still won £11,000, so you dont have to win to make a living. winner of wimbledon £1m for himself.
a tour stage win is about £6,000 and 190 other guys in the bunch at same time. you may be able to hide on a bad day but very hard to win a stage. winner of the tour = £400,000 to be shared with 9 team mates
But pro cyclists are employees with a salary. Tennis pros have to pay for all their travel and support team, whether they're winning or not. Not really a fair comparison.a tour stage win is about £6,000 and 190 other guys in the bunch at same time. you may be able to hide on a bad day but very hard to win a stage. winner of the tour = £400,000 to be shared with 9 team mates
just1 said:
RRS_Staffs said:
But to be fair if all your doing is mincing around a tennis court does it really matter if you are popping pills?
Cycling on the other hand.................
I can tell you that Pro players these days would run rings around atheletes from most other sports. They are some of the most busy and tough people out there so perhaps you should go see for yourself before commenting.Cycling on the other hand.................
I did not mean to suggest that tennis was anything other than a hard physical game requiring nerves of steel and a gritty determination
Although compare and contrast:
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So before I start, let me just say I agree that money in sports is very unfair, but you have to accept that the amount of revenue available to athletes in any sport is driven by 2 things. Firstly, the money made available by selling the rights to show events on television, and second, by companies that want to be associated with these events and sponsor them. If the sponsorship goes, then prize money will fall also. A good comparison would be between football and other major sporting events. In most sports sponsorship and TV rights form the majority of the prize fund which the players get, where as in football, the fans are shouldering most of the cost paying the wages of the players, which is why most football clubs are operating with huge amounts of debt unless some billionaire funds it as there play toy!
We could argue all night about which sports get too much or too little money.
In every sport there are players who are exceptional and get the big money. Some money comes from prizes, but the real money is the big endorsement deals and I'm afraid even cycling has a few of those!!! They are the guys who are globally recognized sports men and women!
As for Tennis players getting paid large amounts for loosing, let me try and put things into perspective.
The first round loosers do get a large amount but for most players the slams represent the only big pay day of their year. In a slam there are only 124 competitors in the main draw, 100 roughly are entered based on world ranking and the rest through qualifying and wildcards. The qualifiers have played the whole week before just to get to the first day of what you see on the TV.
The rest of the year prize money is very thin on the ground, and unless your Rafa or Roger your going to have to pay your own way around the world, and if you can afford a coach or a trainer, then pay both their salary and travelling expenses as well. If you want an idea of the cost go and book yourself on a holiday for 30-40 weeks and see what it costs!!!
On the Men's tour alone there are currently 1,761 players with world rankings. So more then 93% don't even make the slams.
I had a conversion last year with Emilio Sanchez, where a group of us were talking about the realities of the professional game. He was saying that, of these 1700+ players, its probably only about the top 100 players that can pay their way on the tour without assistance. Of that 100, it is about the top 50 that will make money after expenses, and the top 10 that will retire from what they earn. Each year about 10 players drop out of the top 100 and 10 new ones come in. The average age of a player entering the top 100 is around 21 and top 10, 26 years so the window for making big money is very small.
I had a friend who was a nationally ranked junior in the UK, and had first hand experience of life on the tour. He was just outside of the ranking he needed to get funding to go pro, so the club I am at raised the money for him to go on tour. He was a good bet as he had player college tennis in the states for one of the big teams, and had a winning record. So he did as all young player do and looked for events in the Far East, as the better players tend to miss them as the facilities are usually no better than a local park!!! He played in 4 events, didn't win a single match, the money ran out, even though he was staying in the cheapest accommodation he could get, so he packed up and came home. End of story!!! Its a reality which is repeated over and over again!
I'm afraid these are the forgotten players you will never hear about in the press.
We could argue all night about which sports get too much or too little money.
In every sport there are players who are exceptional and get the big money. Some money comes from prizes, but the real money is the big endorsement deals and I'm afraid even cycling has a few of those!!! They are the guys who are globally recognized sports men and women!
As for Tennis players getting paid large amounts for loosing, let me try and put things into perspective.
The first round loosers do get a large amount but for most players the slams represent the only big pay day of their year. In a slam there are only 124 competitors in the main draw, 100 roughly are entered based on world ranking and the rest through qualifying and wildcards. The qualifiers have played the whole week before just to get to the first day of what you see on the TV.
The rest of the year prize money is very thin on the ground, and unless your Rafa or Roger your going to have to pay your own way around the world, and if you can afford a coach or a trainer, then pay both their salary and travelling expenses as well. If you want an idea of the cost go and book yourself on a holiday for 30-40 weeks and see what it costs!!!
On the Men's tour alone there are currently 1,761 players with world rankings. So more then 93% don't even make the slams.
I had a conversion last year with Emilio Sanchez, where a group of us were talking about the realities of the professional game. He was saying that, of these 1700+ players, its probably only about the top 100 players that can pay their way on the tour without assistance. Of that 100, it is about the top 50 that will make money after expenses, and the top 10 that will retire from what they earn. Each year about 10 players drop out of the top 100 and 10 new ones come in. The average age of a player entering the top 100 is around 21 and top 10, 26 years so the window for making big money is very small.
I had a friend who was a nationally ranked junior in the UK, and had first hand experience of life on the tour. He was just outside of the ranking he needed to get funding to go pro, so the club I am at raised the money for him to go on tour. He was a good bet as he had player college tennis in the states for one of the big teams, and had a winning record. So he did as all young player do and looked for events in the Far East, as the better players tend to miss them as the facilities are usually no better than a local park!!! He played in 4 events, didn't win a single match, the money ran out, even though he was staying in the cheapest accommodation he could get, so he packed up and came home. End of story!!! Its a reality which is repeated over and over again!
I'm afraid these are the forgotten players you will never hear about in the press.
there are many athletes form many sports not making millions. this thread was not about that.
its about how paying sports,( cycling is a free spectator sport - you stand on the road side to watch) ie football and tennis and their governing bodies don't seem to be bothered about investigation there superstars in case it damages the sports reputation
its about how paying sports,( cycling is a free spectator sport - you stand on the road side to watch) ie football and tennis and their governing bodies don't seem to be bothered about investigation there superstars in case it damages the sports reputation
This report was for treatment to a knee injury almost 2 years ago, and no action has been taken or anything proven
The most publicized drug scandal in tennis was the Agassi crystal meth story. He did wrong and the authorities screwed up big time, hopefully lessons have been learnt! I think the Mens tour wont leave themselves in this position again!!!
Will try and get the numbers for the ATP for the drugs test numbers for the rest of the tour. ITF events prob only make up 20% of the tour.
As i said earlier i went to a lecture from the LTA's medical officer, Us coaches are now being briefed as players as young as 14 are being tested at high levels of the game. Some of the things were fascinating, for example Cannabis is allowed as long as it is taken out of competition and you allow a 28 day clearing period then its fine!!! On the flip side Ventolin that is in asthma inhalers is not allowed as its a stimulant! If you suffer from asthma then you need to get clearance to take your inhaler for your prescribed amount. If you have an attack then you need to get a clearance form from the drugs testing authority before taking extra, players have received bans for getting this wrong!!
The most publicized drug scandal in tennis was the Agassi crystal meth story. He did wrong and the authorities screwed up big time, hopefully lessons have been learnt! I think the Mens tour wont leave themselves in this position again!!!
Will try and get the numbers for the ATP for the drugs test numbers for the rest of the tour. ITF events prob only make up 20% of the tour.
As i said earlier i went to a lecture from the LTA's medical officer, Us coaches are now being briefed as players as young as 14 are being tested at high levels of the game. Some of the things were fascinating, for example Cannabis is allowed as long as it is taken out of competition and you allow a 28 day clearing period then its fine!!! On the flip side Ventolin that is in asthma inhalers is not allowed as its a stimulant! If you suffer from asthma then you need to get clearance to take your inhaler for your prescribed amount. If you have an attack then you need to get a clearance form from the drugs testing authority before taking extra, players have received bans for getting this wrong!!
cervelo said:
nadal... probably the most heavily implicated tennis star to be mixed up with dr fuentes. not a good star to defend tennis with i would say.
Edited by just1 on Wednesday 9th February 22:10
cervelo said:
*Tennis only tests the losers at the events.
The Tour de France catches people because after each stage in the three-week event, the overall leader, the stage winner, and two riders are tested at random. Also, every rider is tested after the first-day stage.
Compare 2008 UCI(Pro-Cycling’s ITF)Stats with the 2008 ITF Stats:
In-competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 5,509 Urine tests and 587 Blood Tests.
ITF conducted 1,770 Urine Tests and 157 Blood Tests(only done at Slams).
Out-of- competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 2,013 Urine Tests and 4,649 Blood Tests.
ITF/WADA conducted 91 Urine Tests and 0 Blood Tests
Total Testing
UCI conducted 12,758 tests to the ITF’s 2,018.
Pre-competition medical blood screens
UCI conducted 466 tests to the ITF’s 0.
Grand Total of UCI 13,224 to the ITF’s 2,018
Ok so been checking this out and i stand corrected on the numbers!The Tour de France catches people because after each stage in the three-week event, the overall leader, the stage winner, and two riders are tested at random. Also, every rider is tested after the first-day stage.
Compare 2008 UCI(Pro-Cycling’s ITF)Stats with the 2008 ITF Stats:
In-competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 5,509 Urine tests and 587 Blood Tests.
ITF conducted 1,770 Urine Tests and 157 Blood Tests(only done at Slams).
Out-of- competition anti-doping tests
UCI conducted 2,013 Urine Tests and 4,649 Blood Tests.
ITF/WADA conducted 91 Urine Tests and 0 Blood Tests
Total Testing
UCI conducted 12,758 tests to the ITF’s 2,018.
Pre-competition medical blood screens
UCI conducted 466 tests to the ITF’s 0.
Grand Total of UCI 13,224 to the ITF’s 2,018
http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/statistic...
The only thing that i dont understand is that these numbers only represent a small number of events compared to the full calender
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Event-Cale...
They must have more testing than that? The numbers are from 2009 and the guidelines will be changing all the time, the only other thing i noticed was that the numbers from the events made out that in some all the players were being tested at least once and that in the slams about 50% were tested.
The players have been moaning about the testing as they have to be available for testing for the duration of an event but most players will either go home off to train or on to the next event and in theory not be available to test. As the sport is spread across the world this is a big problem to many players. From what i understand
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7886137.stm
Edited by just1 on Wednesday 9th February 23:36
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