will the US ever replace the B52???
will the US ever replace the B52???
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chuntington101

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5,733 posts

265 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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As the title says, will the US ever replace the B52?

Eric Mc

125,601 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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Except that's not quite what the title sayssmile

Short answer is no. The USAF once had 800 B-52s, It now has around 90.

The other 710 were not replaced with 710 equivalent more modern aircraft.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

277 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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Eric Mc said:
The other 710 were not replaced with 710 equivalent more modern aircraft.
Because there aren't any!

Eric Mc

125,601 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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Of course.

And why aren't there any?

Because all the proposed replacement aircraft were built in far fewer numbers. The two main projects were the B-1 (which was initially cancelled altogether and then reinstated) and then the B-2 which was built in tiny numbers.

The production run for the B-1 was 100 (not including the prototypes and test aircraft) and the production run for the B-2 was only 21.

Simpo Two

92,641 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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What was the primary aim of the B52 - just a long range heavy bomber, or a standing patrol within nuclear-lobbing distance of Russia?

If the need or potential need for the plane has gone then it won't be replaced (until that need suddenly reappears of course!)

DrTre

12,957 posts

261 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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Projected to be in service 'til 2050 isn't it?

Will the need for it still be there, in the capacities mentioned above?

Skywalker

3,269 posts

243 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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What was it for?
Orignaly it was the strong-arm muscle of SAC. It did stand the airborne deterrent patrols to hop over the borders to provide instant sunshine on The Red Menace.

It certainly showed it's abilities as a heavy bomber over Vietnam.

I was rwading an article last year about how the USAF had welded a Sniper designation pod onto a pylon on a wing between the engine pods, and could have it loiter over Afghanistan and if necessary rain laser designated smartbombs down onto the ground like hailstones.

Still a missed oppotunity for the ex-Nimrod to have filled it's long weapons bay and do the same.

I doubt that here will be a replacement, but I think it makes sense to keep updating it to maintain the capabilities.

Eric Mc

125,601 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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It was the ultimate expression of the World War 2 era heavy bomber - designed to drop a large bomb-load or an atom bomb from altitude directly over the target. Design work began in 1948 so we were still in the era of the long range, heavy strategic bomber.


aeropilot

40,504 posts

256 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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Skywalker said:
It certainly showed it's abilities as a heavy bomber over Vietnam.
And again 20 odd years later in '91 during Desert Storm and another 10 years later in Iraq and Afganistan.

A BUFF is still a very useful big stick to have at your disposal, psycologically as well as operationally.




Eric Mc

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294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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The Big Belly modification to the B-52Ds used in Vietnam allowed them to carry up to 60,000 lbs of bombs.

The only versions in service now are B-52Hs - which were the only turbofan powered B-52s.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

195 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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It still works.

That's a simple reason it's still in use and will still be flying in 2050.

The replacement was the going to be XB-70 Valkyrie, ie the range of the B-52 but supersonic.

But the development of the ICBM meant that model of warfare became obsolete.

What remained was the need for a heavy long range conventional bomber, for use once air superiority is attained and the B52 does that.

It still needs some new engines though.

Simpo Two

92,641 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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The conclusion seems to be, as Kenny Everett neatly summed up long ago: 'Round them up, put them in a field and bomb the bds'! Patton would be impressed.

telecat

8,528 posts

270 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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It's main use these days is as a "Bomb truck" gets the explosive into the area, hangs around for an age until they have a target then drops them were they tell them to.

tight5

2,747 posts

188 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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first flight in 1952 !
are they trying for 100 years ?
wink

aeropilot

40,504 posts

256 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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tight5 said:
first flight in 1952 !
are they trying for 100 years ?
wink
I have heard from a friend who is ex-USAF that there are some in the USAF that would like to see that milestone achieved..... and with the disclosed proposed OSD already being pretty close to that, it may well happen.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

227 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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aeropilot said:
tight5 said:
first flight in 1952 !
are they trying for 100 years ?
wink
I have heard from a friend who is ex-USAF that there are some in the USAF that would like to see that milestone achieved..... and with the disclosed proposed OSD already being pretty close to that, it may well happen.
I guess it depends on whether their LEX studies are finding sufficient conservatism in life limiting components to do so. I can't imagine they live a hard life these days.

It would be great to see though.

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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rhinochopig said:
I guess it depends on whether their LEX studies are finding sufficient conservatism in life limiting components to do so. I can't imagine they live a hard life these days.

It would be great to see though.
AIUI the airframe was originally stressed for a "nuclear lob-bombing" mission profile from low level, so it's pretty damn sturdy.

aeropilot

40,504 posts

256 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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rhinochopig said:
I guess it depends on whether their LEX studies are finding sufficient conservatism in life limiting components to do so. I can't imagine they live a hard life these days.
As long as the USAF have learnt their lesson and manage to keep maverick pilots like Bud Holland away from the B-52 fleet......



Eric Mc

125,601 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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tight5 said:
first flight in 1952 !
are they trying for 100 years ?
wink
The 90 odd that are still in service are the final aircraft off the production line - they date from 1961/62. So, they won't QUITE make the 100.

Eric Mc

125,601 posts

294 months

Saturday 29th January 2011
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davepoth said:
AIUI the airframe was originally stressed for a "nuclear lob-bombing" mission profile from low level, so it's pretty damn sturdy.
I'm pretty sure lob bombing wasn't envisaged in the original design.