Cars in Ireland...
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I spent a week over the New Year period at my in-laws in near Galway.
It occurred to me that there was very little variety of cars on the roads - loads of Fords/Opels/Toyota's etc. For example - you would see plenty of Golfs, but almost no GTI's/R32s Almost all with the smallest engine in the range, and every single one of them filthy - is this the norm across the whole of the country, and if so, why? Tax or something?
p.s. whilst I was there, I had use of my father in-laws Opel Meriva. It was dreadful.
It occurred to me that there was very little variety of cars on the roads - loads of Fords/Opels/Toyota's etc. For example - you would see plenty of Golfs, but almost no GTI's/R32s Almost all with the smallest engine in the range, and every single one of them filthy - is this the norm across the whole of the country, and if so, why? Tax or something?
p.s. whilst I was there, I had use of my father in-laws Opel Meriva. It was dreadful.
Edited by Matt80M on Saturday 8th January 09:53
Horrifically expensive tax!
Cars before 2008 were done on engine size https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do
Now on co2: http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/car-tax-ireland.htm
Cars before 2008 were done on engine size https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do
Now on co2: http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/car-tax-ireland.htm
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 8th January 09:41
champ54321 said:
Horrifically expensive tax!
Cars before 2008 were done on engine size https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do
Now on co2: http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/car-tax-ireland.htm
OK - so for my car, I would be paying over 4 times as much - blimey!Cars before 2008 were done on engine size https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do
Now on co2: http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/car-tax-ireland.htm
Edited by champ54321 on Saturday 8th January 09:41
And we think we have it bad here!
I have a 1990 911. I pay €1,566 in annual road tax. You cannot declare a car off the road so if I leave the car in the garage for the winter I still have to pay. This also means if you have multiple cars it can get VERY expensive.
As stated, road tax since July '08 is based on carbon emissions. Prior to this date road tax was based on engine size. My car was imported into Ireland when it was still quite new and is in the highest tax bracket under the old system as it is >3.0L.
We also have a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax). This is a tax that is included in the sale price of all new cars and is applied to all private imports.
Under the older system the following VRT was applied to all personal imports.
Cars up to 1,400cc 22.5% of OMSP
Cars 1,401 to 1,900cc 25% of OMSP
Cars over 1,900cc 30% of OMSP
Under the new system VRT is based on carbon emissions, as follows:
CO2 Emissions (CO2g/km) VRT Rates
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP
More than 120g/km up to and including140g/km 16% of OMSP
More than 140g/km up to and including 155g/km 20% of OMSP
More than 155g/km up to and including 170g/km 24% of OMSP
More than 170g/km up to and including 190g/km 28% of OMSP
More than 190g/km up to and including 225g/km 32% of OMSP
More than 225g/km 36% of OMSP
Note the the OMSP (Open Market Selling Price) of the car is determined by a faceless individual in an office, with little regard to the second hand market. The Revenue supply a VRT Calculator on their website but it does not include many interesting cars. Often you have to turn up with the car and they will decide the price on the spot. If you do not agree with the price you either pay the tax and appeal afterwards or you take the car back out of the country.
As you can see from the above rates, if you import a GT3, and the VRT office believe it is worth €100,000 you will pay the state €36,000 for the privilidge of an Irish registration plate.
There is now a new system under which all cars are inspected to ensure that people are not misrepresenting larger spec cars as lower spec models.
If you are caught with an unregistered car without a reasonable reason, the car can be seized on the spot, not to be returned until the owner has paid the VRT and a hefty fine.
Considering I mainly use my car on weekends, it is a bitter pill to swallow.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/vrt-calculator.htm...
As stated, road tax since July '08 is based on carbon emissions. Prior to this date road tax was based on engine size. My car was imported into Ireland when it was still quite new and is in the highest tax bracket under the old system as it is >3.0L.
We also have a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax). This is a tax that is included in the sale price of all new cars and is applied to all private imports.
Under the older system the following VRT was applied to all personal imports.
Cars up to 1,400cc 22.5% of OMSP
Cars 1,401 to 1,900cc 25% of OMSP
Cars over 1,900cc 30% of OMSP
Under the new system VRT is based on carbon emissions, as follows:
CO2 Emissions (CO2g/km) VRT Rates
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP
More than 120g/km up to and including140g/km 16% of OMSP
More than 140g/km up to and including 155g/km 20% of OMSP
More than 155g/km up to and including 170g/km 24% of OMSP
More than 170g/km up to and including 190g/km 28% of OMSP
More than 190g/km up to and including 225g/km 32% of OMSP
More than 225g/km 36% of OMSP
Note the the OMSP (Open Market Selling Price) of the car is determined by a faceless individual in an office, with little regard to the second hand market. The Revenue supply a VRT Calculator on their website but it does not include many interesting cars. Often you have to turn up with the car and they will decide the price on the spot. If you do not agree with the price you either pay the tax and appeal afterwards or you take the car back out of the country.
As you can see from the above rates, if you import a GT3, and the VRT office believe it is worth €100,000 you will pay the state €36,000 for the privilidge of an Irish registration plate.
There is now a new system under which all cars are inspected to ensure that people are not misrepresenting larger spec cars as lower spec models.
If you are caught with an unregistered car without a reasonable reason, the car can be seized on the spot, not to be returned until the owner has paid the VRT and a hefty fine.
Considering I mainly use my car on weekends, it is a bitter pill to swallow.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/vrt-calculator.htm...
Edited by Sneaky Schnell on Saturday 8th January 11:02
Sneaky Schnell said:
I have a 1990 911. I pay €1,566 in annual road tax. You cannot declare a car off the road so if I leave the car in the garage for the winter I still have to pay. This also means if you have multiple cars it can get VERY expensive.
As stated, road tax since July '08 is based on carbon emissions. Prior to this date road tax was based on engine size. My car was imported into Ireland when it was still quite new and is in the highest tax bracket under the old system as it is >3.0L.
We also have a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax). This is a tax that is included in the sale price of all new cars and is applied to all private imports.
Under the older system the following VRT was applied to all personal imports.
Cars up to 1,400cc 22.5% of OMSP
Cars 1,401 to 1,900cc 25% of OMSP
Cars over 1,900cc 30% of OMSP
Under the new system VRT is based on carbon emissions, as follows:
CO2 Emissions (CO2g/km) VRT Rates
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP
More than 120g/km up to and including140g/km 16% of OMSP
More than 140g/km up to and including 155g/km 20% of OMSP
More than 155g/km up to and including 170g/km 24% of OMSP
More than 170g/km up to and including 190g/km 28% of OMSP
More than 190g/km up to and including 225g/km 32% of OMSP
More than 225g/km 36% of OMSP
Note the the OMSP (Open Market Selling Price) of the car is determined by a faceless individual in an office, with little regard to the second hand market. The Revenue supply a VRT Calculator on their website but it does not include many interesting cars. Often you have to turn up with the car and they will decide the price on the spot. If you do not agree with the price you either pay the tax and appeal afterwards or you take the car back out of the country.
As you can see from the above rates, if you import a GT3, and the VRT office believe it is worth €100,000 you will pay the state €36,000 for the privilidge of an Irish registration plate.
There is now a new system under which all cars are inspected to ensure that people are not misrepresenting larger spec cars as lower spec models.
If you are caught with an unregistered car without a reasonable reason, the car can be seized on the spot, not to be returned until the owner has paid the VRT and a hefty fine.
Considering I mainly use my car on weekends, it is a bitter pill to swallow.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/vrt-calculator.htm...
Gosh, I can imagine. Thanks for the answer - makes sense.As stated, road tax since July '08 is based on carbon emissions. Prior to this date road tax was based on engine size. My car was imported into Ireland when it was still quite new and is in the highest tax bracket under the old system as it is >3.0L.
We also have a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax). This is a tax that is included in the sale price of all new cars and is applied to all private imports.
Under the older system the following VRT was applied to all personal imports.
Cars up to 1,400cc 22.5% of OMSP
Cars 1,401 to 1,900cc 25% of OMSP
Cars over 1,900cc 30% of OMSP
Under the new system VRT is based on carbon emissions, as follows:
CO2 Emissions (CO2g/km) VRT Rates
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP
More than 120g/km up to and including140g/km 16% of OMSP
More than 140g/km up to and including 155g/km 20% of OMSP
More than 155g/km up to and including 170g/km 24% of OMSP
More than 170g/km up to and including 190g/km 28% of OMSP
More than 190g/km up to and including 225g/km 32% of OMSP
More than 225g/km 36% of OMSP
Note the the OMSP (Open Market Selling Price) of the car is determined by a faceless individual in an office, with little regard to the second hand market. The Revenue supply a VRT Calculator on their website but it does not include many interesting cars. Often you have to turn up with the car and they will decide the price on the spot. If you do not agree with the price you either pay the tax and appeal afterwards or you take the car back out of the country.
As you can see from the above rates, if you import a GT3, and the VRT office believe it is worth €100,000 you will pay the state €36,000 for the privilidge of an Irish registration plate.
There is now a new system under which all cars are inspected to ensure that people are not misrepresenting larger spec cars as lower spec models.
If you are caught with an unregistered car without a reasonable reason, the car can be seized on the spot, not to be returned until the owner has paid the VRT and a hefty fine.
Considering I mainly use my car on weekends, it is a bitter pill to swallow.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/vrt-calculator.htm...
Edited by Sneaky Schnell on Saturday 8th January 11:02
Dog Star said:
Some friends of ours who live in Waterford were considering buying my old SLK230 and the tax is what stopped them - I can't remember how much they said it was but I do recall it being pretty eyewatering.
€1566.Its a disgrace over here. Tax is a killer, VRT is a b
h I remember when my Dad was buying a 2004 Mercedes S320CDI in 2007, if he imported it he would have had to pay nearly €18,000VRT 
Insurance is a joke, €3,700 for me on a 1.4 Puma.
Which I will not be paying ill be selling the Puma a car I bought this time last year (I was 16) myself and replaced the engine as it was knackered. It has to go to make room for a 900cc shopping trolley.
And yes everything is basic spec, I know of 1 Mk IV Gofl GTI and thats it.
RB26DETT said:
And yes everything is basic spec, I know of 1 Mk IV Gofl GTI and thats it.
The base spec of Irish market cars can have less OEM extras than a UK base spec as well. The only good thing is that there is a rolling vintage car tax, so once a car gets over 30 years old annual road tax drops to €50, and import duty (VRT) is a blanket €200, for a car that was previously registered in an EU country.You do still see occasional expensive stuff on the roads though, Ferrari, Rolls Royce etc.
Edited by Strawman on Saturday 8th January 17:14
Strawman said:
RB26DETT said:
And yes everything is basic spec, I know of 1 Mk IV Gofl GTI and thats it.
The base spec of Irish market cars can have less OEM extras than a UK base spec as well. The only good thing is that there is a rolling vintage car tax, so once a car gets over 30 years old annual road tax drops to €50, and import duty (VRT) is a blanket €200, for a car that was previously registered in an EU country.You do still see occasional expensive stuff on the roads though, Ferrari, Rolls Royce etc.
Edited by Strawman on Saturday 8th January 17:14
Oh and theres no such thing as private commercial tax here anymore, you have to have a VAT number to get the commercial tax. So for example a private individual driving a 3.2 Pajero Commercial last year was paying €288 annual road tax thats increased to €1566 this year
Im from Limerick, nice to see more Irish on here
Cheers
It's day light robbery the tax we pay and it's after flushing the country with sub 2.0 litre cars which restricts you to buying common as muck cars to run, also the roads ( or lack of ) pure rabbit tracks, you don't realise how good you have it across the water I love driving over there the roads are brilliant compared to home.
rb51 said:
also the roads ( or lack of ) pure rabbit tracks,
Bothar translate literally as cow path
Although to be fair at least we have more motorway now.rb51 said:
you don't realise how good you have it across the water I love driving over there the roads are brilliant compared to home.
We do have less traffic though. If you stay away from Dublin you're far less likely to get stuck in a traffic jam.Good point about there being less traffic out in the country just lots and lots of potholes instead, if only the country all pulled together and refused to tax cars until the system was reviewed I know it's far from practical but were being bent over and s****ed here and it seems to be getting worse where will it end?
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