Trading standards
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Advice needed! I bought a mondeo estate the other week from a "semi retired" dealer on autotrader. It was cheap at £2300 for an 06 plate TDCI, with 208,000 miles. He said that it had no history but did have a print out from the company (which i would regard as nearly as good.
When I picked it up, all seemed okay and I have driven it nearly 1000 miles, but when starting (ie the next time I drove it) and driving off, the noise is really quite noticeable. I took it to a mechanic that I rely upon and the following is wrong:
1) Injectors noisy and should be replaced (do not need to be, though, it will still drive)
2) Flywheel noisy and needs to be replaced
3) Engine overfilled with oil and needed a litre (he wasn't sure of exact amount) draining out
4) tire pressures all at 22-25 psi (should be 33-35)
5) Aircon not functioning. Re-gas did not cure it and I didn't want to spend more on trying to fix it.
6) Fan and heater not working properly. On a journey in the reacent cold snap, the insides of the side windows froze over and I was pulled over by the police. Allowed to continue without punishment, but after I had spent 10 minutes scraping ice off the windows (I was very close to my destination and was going to leave it until I got there).
Oh, and there is no history at all. No print out from any company.
Do I have any reason to feel aggrieved and ask for a refund or should I just expect that the car will not be very good due to the price?
Should I consider trading standards?
When I picked it up, all seemed okay and I have driven it nearly 1000 miles, but when starting (ie the next time I drove it) and driving off, the noise is really quite noticeable. I took it to a mechanic that I rely upon and the following is wrong:
1) Injectors noisy and should be replaced (do not need to be, though, it will still drive)
2) Flywheel noisy and needs to be replaced
3) Engine overfilled with oil and needed a litre (he wasn't sure of exact amount) draining out
4) tire pressures all at 22-25 psi (should be 33-35)
5) Aircon not functioning. Re-gas did not cure it and I didn't want to spend more on trying to fix it.
6) Fan and heater not working properly. On a journey in the reacent cold snap, the insides of the side windows froze over and I was pulled over by the police. Allowed to continue without punishment, but after I had spent 10 minutes scraping ice off the windows (I was very close to my destination and was going to leave it until I got there).
Oh, and there is no history at all. No print out from any company.
Do I have any reason to feel aggrieved and ask for a refund or should I just expect that the car will not be very good due to the price?
Should I consider trading standards?
Edited by minerva on Friday 31st December 17:55
I had caught a train to meet him and he turned up late to pick me up. I was in a real hurry to not keep someone waiting and everything seemed very much in order. I grant you that it does sound very stupid, but I just didn't check.
Getting everything I deserve, I fear.
I am tempted to sell on ebay, but I would feel unable to sell without mentioning these points. Which is what makes me think that he should have mentioned them to me. Obviously then, I would not have bought it...
Getting everything I deserve, I fear.
I am tempted to sell on ebay, but I would feel unable to sell without mentioning these points. Which is what makes me think that he should have mentioned them to me. Obviously then, I would not have bought it...
Burrito said:
I think you need to establish whether it was a trade sale or not.
That being said, you paid 30% less than the cheapest 2006 Mondeo Estate TDCi in the classifieds. It's done 208k. Did you really expect bits and pieces not to be worn out?
I fear a court would see it the same way.That being said, you paid 30% less than the cheapest 2006 Mondeo Estate TDCi in the classifieds. It's done 208k. Did you really expect bits and pieces not to be worn out?
It was a trade sale, The receipt with his company name confirms it. He did, in a 'phone conversation recently, acknowledge that it was making the same noises when he had it and advised me to go to a mechanic near him because he was cheap.
I did expect things to be worn out but to be faced with a car that cannot be driven in cold conditions and which requires its purchase price again spent on it without any prior warning that I would have to do so means that the seller being duplicitous, is he not?
I did expect things to be worn out but to be faced with a car that cannot be driven in cold conditions and which requires its purchase price again spent on it without any prior warning that I would have to do so means that the seller being duplicitous, is he not?
Edited by minerva on Friday 31st December 18:15
minerva said:
It was a trade sale, The receipt with his company name confirms it. He did, in a 'phone conversation recently, acknowledge that it was making the same noises when he had it and advised me to go to a mechanic near him because he was cheap.
I did expect things to be worn out but to be faced with a car that cannot be driven in cold conditions and which requires its purchase price again spent on it without any prior warning that I would have to do so means that the seller being duplicitous, is he not?
Does that mean he's offered to get it repaired?I did expect things to be worn out but to be faced with a car that cannot be driven in cold conditions and which requires its purchase price again spent on it without any prior warning that I would have to do so means that the seller being duplicitous, is he not?
Edited by minerva on Friday 31st December 18:15
minerva said:
No. He advised me to travel to advised mechanic to get a good (better) price. He did not offer to repair it.
It's a difficult situation because you've purchased a car which is heavily discounted and has very high mileage, so it could be argued that you paid an accurate price for the condition.Do you have the original advert?
Regarding mondeo, the dual mass flywheels and injectors are common problems on a mondeo (i had one just got rid) I went to look at another (with 150k on it) it had a very comprehensive service history, but never had them done so walked away, you got the car cheaper enough, your looking at 600 quid for new injectors (atleast) and probebly another 600ish for flywheel.
FeatherZ said:
Regarding mondeo, the dual mass flywheels and injectors are common problems on a mondeo (i had one just got rid) I went to look at another (with 150k on it) it had a very comprehensive service history, but never had them done so walked away, you got the car cheaper enough, your looking at 600 quid for new injectors (atleast) and probebly another 600ish for flywheel.
Do I NEED them doing or will it run with them as it is...?minerva said:
I just didn't check.
This is where sadly you made the biggest mistake. High milage car and you didn't carry out the most basic checks on the vehicle prior to handing over your cash. Sorry to say it will not end well on here or in court to be honest. Choices are move it on or fix it.Dont need them doing, id run it until they needed doing, the dual mass flywheel will eventually get noisy and rattly, the injectors, you will know as the car will no longer start, glow plug light will come on and it will eventually stall / wont start.
Just fill up the cars tyres, and run it into the ground, be a snob with your "06 plate" for little money, and be happy until something really goes wrong.
Just fill up the cars tyres, and run it into the ground, be a snob with your "06 plate" for little money, and be happy until something really goes wrong.
minerva said:
FeatherZ said:
Regarding mondeo, the dual mass flywheels and injectors are common problems on a mondeo (i had one just got rid) I went to look at another (with 150k on it) it had a very comprehensive service history, but never had them done so walked away, you got the car cheaper enough, your looking at 600 quid for new injectors (atleast) and probebly another 600ish for flywheel.
Do I NEED them doing or will it run with them as it is...?I'll guess that the aircon leak is on the pipe near the filling point, front offside of the engine bay. Close to the headlight it passes over a bolt and can chafe there. It's a sod to change, about three hours labour but nothing difficult in doing it, just lots of fiddling.
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