WikiLeaks hypocrisy

[flyingjase]

Interesting that Julian Assange's lawyers are moaning about leaks of his case to The Guardian, bearing in mind that his entire business is based on these. Ummmm, don't give it if you can't take it I say.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lawyers...

[TuxRacer]

I do see a difference between a government and an individual facing prosecution.

I'm not sure this is particularly newsworthy either, but I guess it would be difficult for the Guardian to be seen to not publish considering the position they've put themselves in.

[Xenocide]

Personal matters and war crimes are somewhat of a different level though eh?

[tinman0]

Xenocide said:

Personal matters and war crimes are somewhat of a different level though eh?

Same thing, different spheres.

It's very simple: If you use the press, the press will use you.

The press aren't interested in the wrongs and rights of modern life, they are interested in selling newspapers. If you happen to be the story, then tough luck.

[spud989]

PH user in 'defending the institution' shocker!

[flyingjase]

Xenocide said:

Personal matters and war crimes are somewhat of a different level though eh?

Come on, play fair, he doesn't just publish details of war crimes.

He has published everything from idle tittle tattle to details of informants against the Taliban.

Do you think its right to put informant’s lives at risk in the name of the 'greater good' that he claims to represent?

This guy has built his business publishing leaked documents, he therefore shouldn’t be surprised when it happens to him

[Jimbeaux]

spud989 said:

PH user in 'defending the institution' shocker!

He is not defending the institution, he is telling the truth. The fellow cannot have it both ways. BTW, that "institution" you mock is what built the nation you so comfortably reside in today. Don't be so fast to condemn it.
ETA: I see you and I share car taste. I know many with a 3.0 Zed, but few with an SMG. It is difficult to explain how good those are.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 19th December 15:29

[NoNeed]

What goes around come around.

[Xenocide]

flyingjase said:

Xenocide said:

Personal matters and war crimes are somewhat of a different level though eh?

Come on, play fair, he doesn't just publish details of war crimes.

Want to bet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

[AndrewW-G]

That he’s now whinging about having HIS rights and privacey impinged, should tell everybody all they know about this tit, a hypocrite of the highest order.
Having spoken to him a few years ago, I can happily say that IMHO, Assange is a self publicising wker and his only real interest is the publicity, fame and any cash that he can generate for himself.

His "crusade" is simply making it easier for governments to justify restricting freedom of expression on the net and the hypocrisy of people moaning about HIS rights being infringed by ending up in custody, is staggering, more so when coupled with the fact that he has in the past and continues to freely publishes information without thought of its validity or its impact on others.

Give it a couple of weeks / months and he will get his Mercedes moment in a Parisian tunnel, very probably shortly before the information he's holding about several major financial institutions is due to be published.

Interesting article on Order-Order, pointing out that the dim-witted Jemima Khan took out a super injunction over a few emails and then pursued wikileaks after they leaked the details.


http://order-order.com/2010/12/17/jemima-khans-hyp...

Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 19th December 15:46

[davepoth]

If any of you have read the leaked cables, you'll know that any "innocents" named in the cables, or indeed any names that would be endangered by being named in the leak, get redacted.

So I think it's a little bit unfair to suggest that this is the same. Not only is it highly personal, and doesn't really have any bearing on anything else, the act of publishing it has probably ruined the Swedish prosecution. Which was probably the aim, but nevermind.

[Globs]

flyingjase said:

Interesting that Julian Assange's lawyers are moaning about leaks of his case to The Guardian, bearing in mind that his entire business is based on these. Ummmm, don't give it if you can't take it I say.

Surely there is hypocrisy in persecuting Julian for leaking information, and then leaking information about the case?

Or is it just that the information leaked has to be the 'right' information only?
Anyway, if governments have nothing to hide, they've nothing to fear.
If they _have_ got something to hide, maybe we need to ask _why_, and have a look at it..

[AndrewW-G]

davepoth said:

If any of you have read the leaked cables, you'll know that any "innocents" named in the cables, or indeed any names that would be endangered by being named in the leak, get redacted.

Something that doesnt happen in many of the other pieces of information published by Wikileaks

Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 19th December 16:05

[flyingjase]

Globs said:

flyingjase said:

Interesting that Julian Assange's lawyers are moaning about leaks of his case to The Guardian, bearing in mind that his entire business is based on these. Ummmm, don't give it if you can't take it I say.

Surely there is hypocrisy in persecuting Julian for leaking information, and then leaking information about the case?

Can't argue with that! But then we know governments / politicians are the biggest hypocrites around.

[Jimbeaux]

AndrewW-G said:

That he’s now whinging about having HIS rights and privacey impinged, should tell everybody all they know about this tit, a hypocrite of the highest order.
Having spoken to him a few years ago, I can happily say that IMHO, Assange is a self publicising wker and his only real interest is the publicity, fame and any cash that he can generate for himself.

Thank you Sir. I have been saying that all along and get soundly criticised for it.

[spud989]

Jimbeaux said:

spud989 said:

PH user in 'defending the institution' shocker!

He is not defending the institution, he is telling the truth. The fellow cannot have it both ways. BTW, that "institution" you mock is what built the nation you so comfortably reside in today. Don't be so fast to condemn it.
ETA: I see you and I share car taste. I know many with a 3.0 Zed, but few with an SMG. It is difficult to explain how good those are.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 19th December 15:29

Tongue planted firmly in cheeky, believe me. Whilst I don't think every government secret should become public knowledge (and most of the leaked info will have been known by the majority of governments at a senior enough level anyway), it's always interesting to find out just how far away the public face is from the corresponding private thoughts. I don't condemn it - though do remember that if people hadn't (and didn't continue to) fight for its neutrality, the internet you're now using would be a very different place and not the rich source of information - available to all - that it currently is. Stretching a point? Maybe. Relevant? Definitely.

We do share taste! Well, at least until I can afford something better. The 3.0 strikes a good balance between performance and running costs, I find. Once a (decent) E46 M3 or Z4M or Exige or similar is within range of purchasing and running costs then I'll be upgrading. The SMG is an odd thing, really - many people who put it down (and doubtless all the updated versions are much better), but I find it very easy to use both day to day and when pushing on, and I've had zero problems with the SMG (though I run an official BMW warranty, just in case). A couple of subtle additions (Z4M alloys, stubby aerial, air filter, etc.) make for a rather decent car for the money, if you ask me.

[Globs]

spud989 said:

Whilst I don't think every government secret should become public knowledge (and most of the leaked info will have been known by the majority of governments at a senior enough level anyway), it's always interesting to find out just how far away the public face is from the corresponding private thoughts.

It's not just the thoughts, it took a leak in the UK to discover rife fiddling of expenses and what amounted to embezzlement of public funds, tax dodges and all sorts of greed with many of our MPs. Lets just say the authorities mainly concentrated on finding the leak until it became apparent that they might have to look at some of the MPs actions. Punishments were stunningly lenient but at least one went to prison.

I.e. in the UK we cannot trust most of our politicians as far as we can spit. The good ones came out clean and their reputations enhanced. As I said, if they've got nothing to hide they have nothing to fear!! The problem is so many have so much to hide..

[Parrot of Doom]

To be honest, fk the US government. Look how they're treating Bradley Manning, the suspected leaker of these documents:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025724-50...

[KrazyIvan]

Parrot of Doom said:

Look how they're treating Bradley Manning, the suspected leaker of these documents:

I thought he was going round telling people it was him, might be wrong, but thought he sealed his own guilt when boasting about it!

[tinman0]

Parrot of Doom said:

To be honest, fk the US government. Look how they're treating Bradley Manning, the suspected leaker of these documents:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025724-50...

Prison is a hard place. Tough fking luck. He brought it on himself.

Chances are that he's only on solitary for his own safety anyway. Soldier committing something close to treason in a military prison is up there with a paedo in a normal prison. He won't be popular.