Gasing AFTER clutch release?
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That's a good way to get the hang of doing it without stalling- if you can start rolling without using the throttle then you've definitely got to grips with the clutch. Obviously adding a bit of throttle as you release the handbrake and let the clutch right out will make you set off a bit quicker.
Treating the throttle and clutch like on-off switches works best of all though- clutch right down, in gear, handbrake off, throttle right down, clutch right up and you're away.
Treating the throttle and clutch like on-off switches works best of all though- clutch right down, in gear, handbrake off, throttle right down, clutch right up and you're away.
Yes, what you're being told is correct. Otherwise you will be "slipping the clutch" by pushing the accelerator pedal and spinning up the engine before the clutch is fully engaged.
With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
Ozzie Osmond said:
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving
I think it depends more on the car than anything else. The Alfa I used to own would happily pull away on just the clutch, but the Mondy (despite being significantly more powerful) just won't do it, you'll stall every time. Maybe down to the DMF or something.Enter car.
Make sure the seat and mirrors are adjusted for you and you are comfortable.
Check the car is in neutral.
If so start the car.
Depress the clutch pedal and engage first gear.
Check mirrors and if appropriate initiate turning signal.
Check mirrors again and look around your "blind spots".
If safe to proceed slowly disengage the hand brake and release the clutch consecutively so the car does not roll in either direction.
Check mirrors again.
Accelerate as appropriate for the road conditions.
Check mirrors again.
Depress clutch and select second gear.
Release clutch while matching engine RPM to the gear ratio.
Drive safe.
Make sure the seat and mirrors are adjusted for you and you are comfortable.
Check the car is in neutral.
If so start the car.
Depress the clutch pedal and engage first gear.
Check mirrors and if appropriate initiate turning signal.
Check mirrors again and look around your "blind spots".
If safe to proceed slowly disengage the hand brake and release the clutch consecutively so the car does not roll in either direction.
Check mirrors again.
Accelerate as appropriate for the road conditions.
Check mirrors again.
Depress clutch and select second gear.
Release clutch while matching engine RPM to the gear ratio.
Drive safe.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 12th December 23:23
Papa Hotel said:
This bit sounds a bit patronising for someone asking for help.
And I'm sure your instructor knows what they're doing. It's not like moving off in first gear is hard, is it?
Patronising? Absolutely not, you've simply interpreted what I said wrongly, if anything YOU'RE the one being patronising..And I'm sure your instructor knows what they're doing. It's not like moving off in first gear is hard, is it?
No, it's not hard but I just want to make sure i'm learning things correctly before learning bad habbits, no disrespect to instructors but becoming an instructor is pretty easy and there are a lot out there that don't seem to know what they're doing. If you check around the forums there are quite a few threads that go into how instructors might teach something in a certain way because it's how you pass the test and it's not the best/most effective way to drive..
Ozzie Osmond said:
Yes, what you're being told is correct. Otherwise you will be "slipping the clutch" by pushing the accelerator pedal and spinning up the engine before the clutch is fully engaged.
With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
Okay thanks, I always thought you we're supposed to give a little bit of gas just before biting point.. especially since 'take offs' at junctions/lights tend to be a lot slower than anyone else, whenever I try to do it a little bit faster I stall, although maybe it's partly because like you said it is a small engined car, 1.2 I think..With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
So, accelerating before clutch has 'passed' biting-point is bad for the car?
Ozzie Osmond said:
Yes, otherwise you will be "slipping the clutch" by pushing the accelerator pedal and spinning up the engine before the clutch is fully engaged.
With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
I don't want to cause confusion here, but using a few revs to pull away is not going to cause excessive wear to a clutch. It's what it's designed to do. Your advice is good but you do make it sound as though using a bit of throttle to pull away will damage the clutch, which it won't.With practice and get used to driving you will find your feet making a see-saw motion on the pedals with one going down as the other comes up. but it is important to avoid slipping the clutch or it will wear out quite quickly.
You know what it's like when you make a hill start? Well, if you "slip the cluch" you're effectively giving the car a hill start every time you move off which is not a good thing.
With practice, most cars on a flat road can be moved from stationary to rolling along with first gear fully engaged just by careful engagement of the clutch with no accelerator at all. In other words at tickover. However, this takes skill and is particularly difficult in a small-engined car such as a learner is likely to be driving. You are likely to need to give the engine a little bit of accelerator, hold it steady and then engage the clutch. Once fully engaged, then more accelerator.
Jumper111 said:
So, accelerating before clutch has 'passed' biting-point is bad for the car?
No, not at all and it is essential if you want to move off quickly, smoothly and keep up with traffic. However if that's all you where ever taught, your clutch control would be shocking and when it came to situations such as crawling slowly in traffic you would struggle. Your instructor is right to teach you in that manner initially but there is no reason why you can't use a little throttle if you feel the need to once you've got the hang of things.As said above, plenty of cars will not pull away cleanly without using the throttle.
busta said:
Jumper111 said:
So, accelerating before clutch has 'passed' biting-point is bad for the car?
No, not at all and it is essential if you want to move off quickly, smoothly and keep up with traffic. However if that's all you where ever taught, your clutch control would be shocking and when it came to situations such as crawling slowly in traffic you would struggle. Your instructor is right to teach you in that manner initially but there is no reason why you can't use a little throttle if you feel the need to once you've got the hang of things.As said above, plenty of cars will not pull away cleanly without using the throttle.
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pardon me, but...
I'm sorry.. what? :SJumper111 said:
(Standstill)
Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Just think about that for a moment, gentlemen...Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Let the clutch fully up before introducing throttle, then come back and tell us what happened.
mybrainhurts said:
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pardon me, but...
I'm sorry.. what? :SJumper111 said:
(Standstill)
Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Just think about that for a moment, gentlemen...Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Let the clutch fully up before introducing throttle, then come back and tell us what happened.
I don't get it.. are you trying to make a joke or something?
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pardon me, but...
I'm sorry.. what? :SJumper111 said:
(Standstill)
Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Just think about that for a moment, gentlemen...Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Let the clutch fully up before introducing throttle, then come back and tell us what happened.
What kind of car is it...?
mybrainhurts said:
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jumper111 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pardon me, but...
I'm sorry.. what? :SJumper111 said:
(Standstill)
Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Just think about that for a moment, gentlemen...Slowly release rest of clutch
THEN gas
Let the clutch fully up before introducing throttle, then come back and tell us what happened.
What kind of car is it...?
It's a Hyundai i10.. pretty much brand new
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