Use of 'Progressive' as though its actually good

[Mst007]

Very tired of hearing politicians from all parties over-using the P word - do they actually know what it means, and more to the point, I`m very concerned that the general public dont have a clue what it really means either. Seems to have become the key buzz word since the Uni fees issue...anyone else notice this? Its as if they`ve all been handed a script.

[12gauge]

Trouble with the left is that they bdized every other word (liberal, socialist, social democrat etc) that they have to keep rebranding themselves every few years.

[rypt]

Progressive means "unfair" afaik, in that you make those who earn more pay a higher % for something, or more for the very same item.

Fair being where they pay the same % as everyone else, or the same price as everyone else.

[sidicks]

rypt said:

Progressive means "unfair" afaik, in that you make those who earn more pay a higher % for something, or more for the very same item.

Fair being where they pay the same % as everyone else, or the same price as everyone else.

And yet ironically, 'the left' will argue that any policy that is NOT 'progressive' is unfair....

Sidicks

[JensenA]

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

[sidicks]

JensenA said:

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

So in what way is a progressive tax policy 'advocating progress' ?

[rypt]

sidicks said:

JensenA said:

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

So in what way is a progressive tax policy 'advocating progress' ?

Because the rich are evil and must therefore pay more as a %?

[sidicks]

rypt said:

Because the rich are evil and must therefore pay more as a %?

You'd certainly think so.......according to some people!!

Sidicks

[davepoth]

Progressive here means "Tax rate is inversely proportional to the number of votes available from that income band".

[JensenA]

rypt said:

sidicks said:

JensenA said:

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

So in what way is a progressive tax policy 'advocating progress' ?

Because the rich are evil and must therefore pay more as a %?

No not at all, but some people are not as well off as other people, it's part of the cost for being in a civilised and structured society. If you want a 'I'm allright jack, Feck you society, then fair enough, but I don't. Helping those who don't have it does benefit society in the long run. Yeah, the well off may pay more as a percentage, but does it really matter as long as you have plenty left over? Dogmatic Right wing 'principles' are just as bad as dogmatic Left wing 'principles'.

[turbobloke]

How about a parallel thread on use of 'elite' as though it's actually bad.

[rypt]

JensenA said:

rypt said:

sidicks said:

JensenA said:

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

So in what way is a progressive tax policy 'advocating progress' ?

Because the rich are evil and must therefore pay more as a %?

No not at all, but some people are not as well off as other people, it's part of the cost for being in a civilised and structured society. If you want a 'I'm allright jack, Feck you society, then fair enough, but I don't. Helping those who don't have it does benefit society in the long run. Yeah, the well off may pay more as a percentage, but does it really matter as long as you have plenty left over? Dogmatic Right wing 'principles' are just as bad as dogmatic Left wing 'principles'.

So why should they pay a higher %? Why not rework the system into a flat tax system that kicks in at a higher point (so more tax free), but also cut services to a level that can be afforded.

[scorp]

rypt said:

So why should they pay a higher %? Why not rework the system into a flat tax system that kicks in at a higher point (so more tax free), but also cut services to a level that can be afforded.

I think because it 'hurts' poorer people more, and unfortunately they vote.

[Willie Dee]

rypt said:

sidicks said:

JensenA said:

The use of the word Progressive seems pretty clear to me, for those who don't know it is "Favouring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are",

So in what way is a progressive tax policy 'advocating progress' ?

Because the rich are evil and must therefore pay more as a %?

It's either that or their wealth is seized by the prolatariot when they riot and sieze back the means of production

[Captain Cadillac]

I live in America and our "president" is a "progressive".

As such, I have purchased a nice little sticker for my car...