Is Capitalism on the brink of collapse
Is Capitalism on the brink of collapse
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crankedup

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25,764 posts

273 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Or at least the model that's been in use since 1930.

ewenm

28,506 posts

275 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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What makes you think this?

Do any countries practise true capitalism anyway?

BeeRoad

684 posts

192 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Most definitely yes.

It's about to be replaced with the infinitely superior and tried and tested alternative of. . . . . . . err. . . .?

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

212 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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It won't collapse, it will just evolve into a variety better suited to our times. Until the next financial disaster. And then we'll go through the process again.

Fittster

20,120 posts

243 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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It died a long time ago.

baz1985

3,685 posts

275 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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It is 'regulated capitalism'.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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BeeRoad said:
Most definitely yes.

It's about to be replaced with the infinitely superior and tried and tested alternative of. . . . . . . err. . . .?
its a new model of distributed risk where businesses take the risk and associated profit if successful. When they fail, taxpayers cover the losses. Everyones a winner.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Oh dear, now we have to agree a defintion of "Capitalism" before we can debate.
Prediction, we won't be able to agree a definition.

Eta, sorry OP I should have paid more attention to your post.
So, what is "the model that's been in use since 1930"?
My definition of Capitalism would be, a free market in goods and services using whatever means of exchange is acceptable to seller and buyer, with no other having any input to the transaction.



Edited by WhoseGeneration on Thursday 2nd December 20:06

The Hypno-Toad

13,312 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Anarcho-Cyniclist communes, that's the way forward.

br d

9,072 posts

256 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Anarcho-Cyniclist communes, that's the way forward.
"I'm 37, that's not old."

I know, I know but I couldn't resist.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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br d said:
"I'm 37, that's not old."
That is relative to when you are scheduled to die; just saying.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Capitalism is alive and well! It's the best reflection of human nature and, as such, is set for a long future.

However, as others have implied above, the main question relates to effective regulation of the "greed" aspect. We simply cannot have a system where bankers pay themselves generously for being "clever" and then go on paying themselves generously after they've utterly failed at what they were supposed to be doing. Capitalism without "downside risk" is doomed to political failure.

The Hypno-Toad

13,312 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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br d said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Anarcho-Cyniclist communes, that's the way forward.
"I'm 37, that's not old."

I know, I know but I couldn't resist.
Didn't know you were called Dennis,

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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crankedup said:
Or at least the model that's been in use since 1930.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

Guess again. We've been on the current system around 40 years. If the Euro collapses we may need to have another big conference.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Capitalism is alive and well! It's the best reflection of human nature and, as such, is set for a long future.

However, as others have implied above, the main question relates to effective regulation of the "greed" aspect. We simply cannot have a system where bankers pay themselves generously for being "clever" and then go on paying themselves generously after they've utterly failed at what they were supposed to be doing. Capitalism without "downside risk" is doomed to political failure.
So, you're saying, you want "human nature" which, presumably, includes "greed"?
Then want to regulate the "greed"?
Or, you're suggesting we don't have Capitalism?
Which is it?

Jasandjules

72,622 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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crankedup said:
Or at least the model that's been in use since 1930.
Not at all, why?

Happens all the time, debts are written off and away we go....... Some institutions will fail, some will be propped up by the Govts.

Bear in mind that things like promissory notes and bills of exchange have been around for more than a thousand years.

scorp

8,783 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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WhoseGeneration said:
So, you're saying, you want "human nature" which, presumably, includes "greed"?
Then want to regulate the "greed"?
Or, you're suggesting we don't have Capitalism?
Which is it?
I think we can all agree people having monopolies is a bad thing, hence the regulation.

br d

9,072 posts

256 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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Jimbeaux said:
br d said:
"I'm 37, that's not old."
That is relative to when you are scheduled to die; just saying.
Good grief Jim am I 'scheduled' to die?
Talk about the nanny state.
Like Logan's sodding Run it is.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

237 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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scorp said:
WhoseGeneration said:
So, you're saying, you want "human nature" which, presumably, includes "greed"?
Then want to regulate the "greed"?
Or, you're suggesting we don't have Capitalism?
Which is it?
I think we can all agree people having monopolies is a bad thing, hence the regulation.
Might depend upon who is doing the "regulation" and to what purpose?
So, no, I don't agree.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Thursday 2nd December 2010
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br d said:
Jimbeaux said:
br d said:
"I'm 37, that's not old."
That is relative to when you are scheduled to die; just saying.
Good grief Jim am I 'scheduled' to die?
Talk about the nanny state.
Like Logan's sodding Run it is.
That's the movie. smile Yes, if Capitalism dies and we gravitate to a state-run socialist system, then yes, a Logan's Run scenario is very likely in our or our next generation's future. wink