The UK Tax gap, visualised
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Understanding How ISAs Work
If you are looking for an effective way to save or invest funds without allowing the taxman to eat up your profits, consider an Individual Savings Account, or an ISA.
ISAs were designed more than a decade ago to encourage Brits to save for college, retirement or a rainy day. The earnings made on ISAs, whether through interest or the sale of shares, are completely tax free. In fact, these funds do not even need to be reported on your income tax return each year.
Really, this should be changed to reflect todays climate, so it should read;If you are looking for an effective way to save or invest funds without allowing the taxman to eat up your profits, consider an Individual Savings Account, or an ISA.
ISAs were designed more than a decade ago to encourage Brits to save for college, retirement or a rainy day. The earnings made on ISAs, whether through interest or the sale of shares, are completely tax free. In fact, these funds do not even need to be reported on your income tax return each year.
said:
Understanding How ISAs Work
If you are looking for an effective way to save or invest funds without paying your 'fair share' to the taxman, consider an Individual Savings Account, or an ISA.
ISAs were designed more than a decade ago to encourage Brits to save for college, retirement or a rainy day. The earnings made on ISAs, whether through interest or the sale of shares, completely avoid tax. In fact, these funds do not even need to be reported on your income tax return each year... you filthy tax avoiding scum
If you are looking for an effective way to save or invest funds without paying your 'fair share' to the taxman, consider an Individual Savings Account, or an ISA.
ISAs were designed more than a decade ago to encourage Brits to save for college, retirement or a rainy day. The earnings made on ISAs, whether through interest or the sale of shares, completely avoid tax. In fact, these funds do not even need to be reported on your income tax return each year... you filthy tax avoiding scum
Stupid graph. Particularly since the IoM now has information sharing with the UK and the banks have been giving details of UK offshore account holders to HMRC for some time. If a 'tax gap' still exists its only because they are too inefficient to bother to collect whats owed to them.
If you plan your finances in accordance with the law, how the hell is that avoiding tax? Surely its 'paying what you owe', rather than 'paying more than you should because you haven't read the rules correctly and thats what we wanted you to do and now we are complaining about your diligence'.
If you plan your finances in accordance with the law, how the hell is that avoiding tax? Surely its 'paying what you owe', rather than 'paying more than you should because you haven't read the rules correctly and thats what we wanted you to do and now we are complaining about your diligence'.
Fume troll said:
I suppose in this context avoidance means exploiting options which HMRC tried to avoid creating, and would prefer closed.
Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
If the intention is so "evident" then make the rules solid. After all, if it's evident, it should be easy to word the tax rules to leave no room for mis-interpretation or avoidance. The problem is the rules are so complicated that the correct amount of tax owed becomes a matter of opinion, not fact. Simplify the rules, reduce the admin costs and you'll have far less avoidance.Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
I suppose any time you try to describe all possible scenarios, the language can be interpreted differently. I know from working with contracts that one man's "shall" is another man's "should".
Yes, making it simpler would be better, but a lot of the detail and complexity is there to try and level the playing field for some entities, or to try and encourage or discourage certain activities. That's where the loopholes start to creep in.
There are other instances where we probably take the other line: the police and public take one view of what's illegal, the courts disagree, and we all get up in arms about some scrote's lawyer exploiting a legal loop hole. Prison avoidance vs evasion?
Cheers,
FT.
Yes, making it simpler would be better, but a lot of the detail and complexity is there to try and level the playing field for some entities, or to try and encourage or discourage certain activities. That's where the loopholes start to creep in.
There are other instances where we probably take the other line: the police and public take one view of what's illegal, the courts disagree, and we all get up in arms about some scrote's lawyer exploiting a legal loop hole. Prison avoidance vs evasion?
Cheers,
FT.
Fume troll said:
I suppose in this context avoidance means exploiting options which HMRC tried to avoid creating, and would prefer closed.
Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
If Parliament's "evident intention" was that clear, they would pass a general anti-avoidance rule, as they have in Australia. They haven't, so this type of tax planning is prefectly fine.Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
Bluebarge said:
Fume troll said:
I suppose in this context avoidance means exploiting options which HMRC tried to avoid creating, and would prefer closed.
Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
If Parliament's "evident intention" was that clear, they would pass a general anti-avoidance rule, as they have in Australia. They haven't, so this type of tax planning is prefectly fine.Or more clearly: "Tax avoidance is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament".
Cheers,
FT.
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/do...
To me, a general anti avoidance rule seems a little daft to be honest. It's a band-aid akin to saying "rule one is obey the rules". If the rules don't stand on their own, then telling people not to avoid them seems a bit pointless.
Cheers,
FT.
robm3 said:
What's wrong with Income Shifting between couples?
Perfectly acceptable I would have thought yet it's admission into this chart seems to reflect it's an area for potential crackdown.
Why is income shifting between couples perfectly acceptable? The employed don't get to do it, and it's purely to avoid tax. If your wife really is working and earning at market rate, it's not income shifting it's just "paying her".Perfectly acceptable I would have thought yet it's admission into this chart seems to reflect it's an area for potential crackdown.
bogwoppit said:
robm3 said:
What's wrong with Income Shifting between couples?
Perfectly acceptable I would have thought yet it's admission into this chart seems to reflect it's an area for potential crackdown.
Why is income shifting between couples perfectly acceptable? The employed don't get to do it, and it's purely to avoid tax. If your wife really is working and earning at market rate, it's not income shifting it's just "paying her".Perfectly acceptable I would have thought yet it's admission into this chart seems to reflect it's an area for potential crackdown.
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ks. Conflatin tax illegally or incompetently not paid/recovered with tax not payABLE under the taxes acts is typical of Labour Party thinking - all money is the state's and any retained after tax is pocket money grudgingly allowed.