Lense for Rome..?
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Horrocks

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635 posts

198 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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After taking expert advice and going for the Canon 1000D (which was in my price range) I am really happy with it.

I need advice on which lense to go for with regards Architecture and buildings, needs to be as sharp as possible really? Im going to Rome for a week and would like some great pictures to bring home.

Another question I have is, what website would you advise for the novice, basically I have read through my manual and taken a lot of pictures so far, but I still cannot fathom 'Aperture' and 'ISO' and 'FPS'?

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thank you in advance!

Kermit power

29,622 posts

243 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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For your first question, I doubt too many people would argue with the suggestion of a Sigma 10-20mm. It's a lovely wide angle lens which will be particularly valuable for somewhere like Rome which is constantly swarming with people, as you can get much closer to what you want to shoot and cut out a lot of the people and other stuff you might not want.

FPS is Frames Per Second. Only relevant if you're shooting in bursts, such as capturing racing cars or a bird on the move or similar. The faster the FPS, the more shots it can take in a second, thus the higher chance of getting the car right where you want it in the frame.

Aperture and ISO are two parts of a triangle, with the other being shutter speed.

To correctly expose a photo, a certain amount of light needs to come through the lens whilst it is open and land on the sensor. The shutter speed governs how long the light has to get in, and the aperture governs how wide the lens opens, thus also controlling how much light gets in.

ISO is a bit of a throwback to film days when you would have to buy a film with differing chemical sensitivity depending on the sort of shooting conditions you expected to find. The higher the ISO number, the less light needed to get your shot, but the more grain & noise you'd get in the shot. The same sort of thing applies with digital sensors, but you no longer have to guess for a whole film - you can change the ISO for each shot.

The next question should be why does this matter?

If you increase the lens aperture (which actually means selecting a lower f number as it's actually telling you how wide the aperture is as a fraction of the focal length of the lens) then you will get more light coming in during any given period, so can have a correspondingly faster shutter speed, but you will also get a much shallower depth of field (the distance from front to back of whatever you're shooting that will be in focus). You would tend towards a wide aperture when you're taking portraits and want to throw the background out of focus, and a narrow aperture when you want as much as possible in focus, such as in a landscape.

If you increase the shutter speed, then you freeze the action, whereas if you decrease it, you blur the action. Think of photos you've seen of waterfalls where every little drop of water is perfectly defined, and others where it appears to be flowing mist. Those are the two extremes.

You need to make sure that you have the shutter speed fast enough to avoid camera shake if you are shooting handheld. For most humans, this means roughly 1 over the focal length of the lens, so if you've got your 18-55 kit lens, you'd need a speed of no slower than 1/18 seconds at the 18mm end, and 1/55 at the 55mm end.

With the ISO, you generally want to keep the number as low as you can, as this will produce clearer, less noisy pictures. If you've decided on the depth of field you want, and you've selected the shutter speed you want to freeze/blur the image and the resulting shot is under-exposed, then you need to increase the ISO. If the image is over-exposed, then you need to decrease it.

Hope that helps?

SamHH

5,078 posts

246 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Presumably you bought the camera with a lens, something like an 18-55mm? If so, that will be fine. By far the biggest parts of getting "great pictures" is technique and creativity, not the kit. That said, if you want to take another lens, a telephoto lens would probably be most useful. You can spend anywhere from £100 to £2000 on one of these. This one's reportedly quite good at the lower end of that range:
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-canon-ef-s-55-...

Re. websites, how about this:

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/

Kermit power

29,622 posts

243 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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SamHH said:
That said, if you want to take another lens, a telephoto lens would probably be most useful.
hehe

So much for my assertion of not many people arguing with my suggestion of a 10-20!

To the OP, as SamHH and I have just demonstrated, the answer depends on what sort of shots you want to take. If you want to get whole facades of buildings in narrow streets, then go for the wide angle. If you want to capture a single gargoyle on top of a cathedral, then go for the telephoto.

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

231 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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I know where you're coming from with the manual - it's a good reference but not the right thing to learn the basics of how to exploit a DSLR from.

There's a Dummies Guide to the 1000d - I'd give that a try.

From where it sounds like you are with your photogtaphy, I'd be investing in leaning to use what I've got rather than spending money on lenses for the time being. The 18-55 kit lens is surprisingly good (assuming it's the IS version). If you're going to be taking pictures inside Churches and dimly lit buildings then I'd be adding a 50mm f1.8 to your kit for low light and/or shallow depth of field stuff - most of these places don't allow tripods or flash so you'll struggle with the reasonably slow 18-55.

If you're looking to burn money that the EF-S 10-22 or Sigma 10-20 are excellent for architecture but lots on money.

Edited by Seight_Returns on Monday 20th September 14:06

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

239 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Seight_Returns said:
I'd be investing in leaning to use what I've got rather than spending money on lenses for the time being.
This

/thread

Chicken Pox

476 posts

204 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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itsnotarace said:
Seight_Returns said:
I'd be investing in leaning to use what I've got rather than spending money on lenses for the time being.
This

/thread
Think o/p said Rome not Piza

getmecoat

dibbly dobbler

11,492 posts

227 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Chicken Pox said:
itsnotarace said:
Seight_Returns said:
I'd be investing in leaning to use what I've got rather than spending money on lenses for the time being.
This

/thread
Think o/p said Rome not Piza

getmecoat
Mmm... tower of piza...

Mmm... pepperoni and cheese...

hehe

(it's Pisa btw wink)


OP - do you have a lens just now that you are looking to add to or will this be your first ?

markmullen

15,877 posts

264 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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I had a few days in Turin a couple of weeks ago and never took my 17-85 off the camera, it was ideal, and not expensive.

Chicken Pox

476 posts

204 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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dibbly dobbler said:
Chicken Pox said:
itsnotarace said:
Seight_Returns said:
I'd be investing in leaning to use what I've got rather than spending money on lenses for the time being.
This

/thread
Think o/p said Rome not Piza

getmecoat
Mmm... tower of piza...

Mmm... pepperoni and cheese...

hehe

(it's Pisa btw wink)


OP - do you have a lens just now that you are looking to add to or will this be your first ?
Pisa uhuh hence get goat... damn wasn't funny...even worse now..

o/p having made the mistake of more lenses than talent (tbh if I cut it down to 1 lens still lack of talent) I'd recommend keeping it simple nice walkabout and Tamron is a good shout to try out longer reach

Horrocks

Original Poster:

635 posts

198 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Thanks for all the input, I will take everything on board. Il update in 3 weeks time with the pics!

Horrocks

Original Poster:

635 posts

198 months

Tuesday 21st September 2010
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inkiboo said:
Horrocks said:
Thanks for all the input, I will take everything on board. Il update in 3 weeks time with the pics!
Also for future reference, it's lens not lense.
Yes mother.

Horrocks

Original Poster:

635 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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inkiboo said:
Horrocks said:
inkiboo said:
Horrocks said:
Thanks for all the input, I will take everything on board. Il update in 3 weeks time with the pics!
Also for future reference, it's lens not lense.
Yes mother.
Fine, keep on using lense and looking like an utter twonk. Your choice, daughter.
I will stick with Lens as you suggested, just felt the correction you made was a little abrupt, which was the reason for the sarcastic comment. bow

tylerama

311 posts

237 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Seight_Returns said:
If you're looking to burn money that the EF-S 10-22 or Sigma 10-20 are excellent for architecture but lots on money.

Edited by Seight_Returns on Monday 20th September 14:06
The Tamron 10-24mm is very good value for money, about £379 ish if I recall correctly. Think the Sigma 10-20mm is about £420 ish.
Also, as above, the 50mm f1.8 is astonishingly good for under a ton.

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

231 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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The chap is asking the equivalent of :

"I've got an MX5 but I'm new to this driving game and am a bit confused by all this talk of double de-clutching, cadence braking and torque curves - I'm off to drive some Alpine passes next week, what sort of performance mods do you think I need ?"

Surely the answer to this and to his question is "you don't need to spend any more money, you've got the perfect tool for the job, get out there and enjoy it you lucky bugger - when you're bored or feel you're being held back by what you've got come back and tell us why, but it's going to be a while before that happens".

Nick M

3,632 posts

253 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Horrocks said:
Another question I have is, what website would you advise for the novice, basically I have read through my manual and taken a lot of pictures so far, but I still cannot fathom 'Aperture' and 'ISO' and 'FPS'?

Can someone point me in the right direction?
Not a website, but an oft-recommended book, which I found very useful and oftern refer back to:

"Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson.

Will give you a lot more insight into aperture, ISO, shutter speed and how they can all be used when taking photographs (both in terms of arriving at the 'correct' exposure and for creative effect).

clonmult

10,529 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Horrocks said:
inkiboo said:
Horrocks said:
inkiboo said:
Horrocks said:
Thanks for all the input, I will take everything on board. Il update in 3 weeks time with the pics!
Also for future reference, it's lens not lense.
Yes mother.
Fine, keep on using lense and looking like an utter twonk. Your choice, daughter.
I will stick with Lens as you suggested, just felt the correction you made was a little abrupt, which was the reason for the sarcastic comment. bow
Glad it was mentioned though - usage of "lense" has always been irritating.

Simpo Two

92,776 posts

295 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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clonmult said:
Glad it was mentioned though - usage of "lense" has always been irritating.
Not as annoying as a Cannon lense though!

Horrocks

Original Poster:

635 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd September 2010
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Simpo Two said:
clonmult said:
Glad it was mentioned though - usage of "lense" has always been irritating.
Not as annoying as a Cannon lense though!
I admit the Lens fault, but I can spell Canon! Not guilty..

BigAlinEmbra

1,629 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2010
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Just to get back on topic, I'll support the shout on the Sigma 10-20, as I love mine. Great for getting in everything that you can't get far enough away from (when someone has built a pesky building across the street for example).