Toilet 'Syphoning' After Flush.
Toilet 'Syphoning' After Flush.
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Flintstone

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8,644 posts

270 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Nothing to do with the cistern but the level of the water in the bowl is settling too low, almost below the bend.

Occasionally, when the toilet is flushed, rather than swirling and running away the bowl fills with water then drains slowly continuing to run out to the point of 'burping'. It doesn't happen every time, I used to attribute it to a partly blocked drain which jetting and rodding often cleared. Main suspects were tree roots but I took the tree out about two years ago so would hope any roots might have rotted away by now.

I think I'll have to get someone round with a camera and have a proper look but am I right in thinking that a blockage or collapse might be the cause?

DJFish

6,009 posts

286 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Do you have a vent stack on your soil pipe?
Have been looking into toilets recently (pun intended) and it would seem a good airflow is important to prevent a vapour lock, alternatively you might have to fit an avv http://www.toolbase.org/Technology-Inventory/Plumb...
alternatively try eating more fibre! smile

Ferg

15,242 posts

280 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Yeah, I'd say that's an air-admittance problem.

Flintstone

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Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Thanks folks.

No stinkpipe so what are the alternatives? Presumably the manhole covers have to be airtight.

RichB

55,322 posts

307 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Flintstone said:
No stinkpipe
Surely there has to be a stench-pipe?

Ferg

15,242 posts

280 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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You need a soil and vent pipe unless it's a very low invert.

Flintstone

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Tuesday 31st August 2010
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There's one at the back of the house serving the bathroom (upstairs). The problem affects the downstairs toilet which is at the front of the house, as far from the bathroom as it's possible to get.

Ferg, can you explain "low invert?".

Edited by Flintstone on Tuesday 31st August 16:10

RichB

55,322 posts

307 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Flintstone said:
There's one at the back of the house serving the bathroom (upstairs). The problem affects the downstairs toilet which is at the front of the house, as far from the bathroom as it's possible to get.
Wouldn't be surprised if the two soil pipes meet somewhere under the house and one pipe vents the system.

Flintstone

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Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Hmmmmmm. If that's the case I'm back to suspecting a blockage.

RichB

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307 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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When was house built, semi or detatched, has it been extended etc. There will only be one drain to the foul water sewer in the street and there should be inspection covers. Can't you open these and flush the loos and see what happens with the water flow, how fast it is etc.?

dxg

10,117 posts

283 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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If there's a vanity unit, there could be an AAV in a spur under that (i.e. in the same room as the WC)...

Flintstone

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Tuesday 31st August 2010
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There's no AAV in the vanity unit. I know because I installed it last year and no, the old one didn't have one either.

RichB. I'm surrounded by bloody manholes to be honest. Two on the drive, one elsewhere in the front garden and two huge concrete covers in the back garden. To be honest I've only ever had trouble with the downstairs toilet so I know where that flushes. Never had cause to lift any other covers and work out what flows where. Until now of course.

Ferg

15,242 posts

280 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Flintstone said:
There's no AAV in the vanity unit. I know because I installed it last year and no, the old one didn't have one either.

RichB. I'm surrounded by bloody manholes to be honest. Two on the drive, one elsewhere in the front garden and two huge concrete covers in the back garden. To be honest I've only ever had trouble with the downstairs toilet so I know where that flushes. Never had cause to lift any other covers and work out what flows where. Until now of course.
Did the vanity basin have an anti-syphon trap on it?

Colonial

13,553 posts

228 months

Wednesday 1st September 2010
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Had this in my previous property.

Tree roots sorry.

Cut them back, replace pipes. Only solution.

Flintstone

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Wednesday 1st September 2010
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Ferg said:
Did the vanity basin have an anti-syphon trap on it?
Don't think so Ferg. Plain old For a fiver it might be worth fitting one though. Could I fit an AAV (say) on the toilet waste, behind the bowl?