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Along the same lines as the F1 letter i also think that F1 is boring, I only watch the start (thats the end of the excitment/entertaintment) then its 
to pay £240 for a ticket well all i can say is people must have more money than sense 
But my real point is, Allthough Shumacher is in a class of his own there is no real skill left in F1 anymore, what i see is they just sit in the car and steer nowadays, they dont change gear etc etc but would we be moaning if shumacher was a brit bet we would not
your views on this please
to pay £240 for a ticket well all i can say is people must have more money than sense But my real point is, Allthough Shumacher is in a class of his own there is no real skill left in F1 anymore, what i see is they just sit in the car and steer nowadays, they dont change gear etc etc but would we be moaning if shumacher was a brit bet we would not
your views on this please
IMO formula 1 sucks.
From a motorsport it has turned to a shameful business based on gloryfying overpaid a
es with the excuse of the use of "high technology".
What is the point of loading a car, be it a racer, with tons of electronics? You are going to answer: to make it go faster. Yep, but then why do they bother putting a driver in it? With no driver the car would be lighter and there wouldn't be lethal accidents.
But then we can't call it a "car", right?
My point is: if one can't make a car go faster without the merciless use of computers, ban the use of computers.
You may think this is going backward, but if it is what's needed to redefine correctly Formula 1 as a motorsport, let's do it.
From a motorsport it has turned to a shameful business based on gloryfying overpaid a
es with the excuse of the use of "high technology". What is the point of loading a car, be it a racer, with tons of electronics? You are going to answer: to make it go faster. Yep, but then why do they bother putting a driver in it? With no driver the car would be lighter and there wouldn't be lethal accidents.
But then we can't call it a "car", right?
My point is: if one can't make a car go faster without the merciless use of computers, ban the use of computers.
You may think this is going backward, but if it is what's needed to redefine correctly Formula 1 as a motorsport, let's do it.
F1 has got boring because the onus of responsiblity has changed. Years ago it was a racing series, populated by racing drivers with their hot tempers, outrageous antics and team of blondes. This was when racing was racing, but sadly the last of them was Senna and we all know what happened to him Eddie Irvine is a glimmer of hope, but he's racing for a team that are in for the long run.
Since Senna's death the entire sport has morphed into something else completely, its no longer a racing series but an engineering competition. Its a case of who's got the best toys and can utilise them in the best way.
Look at that 2002 Ferrari with its tiny computer controlled gearbox. The addition of that part alone had improved aerodynamics far in advance of what the other teams can managed and re-engineering something like a gearbox mid season is just not an option.
Schumacher, whilst he is an incredible driver, Monza 1996 (I think) he won in the wet with only 5th gear, must attribute a large amount of his success in recent years to the technical brilliance of Ross Brawn, because without his brilliant leadership Ferrari would be where they always were, languishing at about 6th.
The biggest difference between the teams is no longer the driver, but the technical director. Frank had his day with Newey and then Ron did, but the team that Ferrari have will be in front for quite some time yet I'd wager.
Matt.
Since Senna's death the entire sport has morphed into something else completely, its no longer a racing series but an engineering competition. Its a case of who's got the best toys and can utilise them in the best way.
Look at that 2002 Ferrari with its tiny computer controlled gearbox. The addition of that part alone had improved aerodynamics far in advance of what the other teams can managed and re-engineering something like a gearbox mid season is just not an option.
Schumacher, whilst he is an incredible driver, Monza 1996 (I think) he won in the wet with only 5th gear, must attribute a large amount of his success in recent years to the technical brilliance of Ross Brawn, because without his brilliant leadership Ferrari would be where they always were, languishing at about 6th.
The biggest difference between the teams is no longer the driver, but the technical director. Frank had his day with Newey and then Ron did, but the team that Ferrari have will be in front for quite some time yet I'd wager.
Matt.
No have never done any racing myself, only thing is i have got a tiv and i even hate going on motorways and duel carriage ways, nothing better than thrashing and pushing it round the country roads 
and yes i do no thats a big difference from F1.
To the person going to Barca £150 Seems more reasonable and yes the La Ramblas
one of the best cities in the world Stuff the boring F1 you will have more fun in La Ramblas
and yes i do no thats a big difference from F1. To the person going to Barca £150 Seems more reasonable and yes the La Ramblas
one of the best cities in the world Stuff the boring F1 you will have more fun in La Ramblas Technology in F1! Hmmmmm. People say that technology is developed by F1 to be used in the real world! Utter Bolloks!
Allow me to explain!
Computers!
F1 are always banging on about how they use computers etc, but they are using technology that was developed before they used it! AMD, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, Apple etc have all, in there own small way, developed technology that lead to the recent IT BOOM! AMD, the first Affordable Gig CPU, Intel, the first affordable 2 Gig CPU, Microsoft Affordale (when Pirated) OS, IBM Affordable Multigig Hard Drives (I'm running a 30GB 7200rpm that cost £100 18months ago!)
F1 are using this technology, not developing it!
As as for driver aids, it's bolloks,
Clutch - My clutch isn't controlled by a button on my steering wheel, its controllled by something that sits jut above the floor, I believe they call it a pedal!!
Launch Control - How come I can pull away, quickly or otherwise, without the use of computer aids to stop me stalling the car?? But the likes of Schubox, DC, Chocolate Button and co can't!!!
Traction Control - Dealing with wheel spin, ie, irradicating it as soon as possible, is all part of driving, if your pulling away from a junction on the road, and get a liitle over enthusiastic with the right foot, you have to very quickly react to kill the wqheel spin and get forward motion, not let some computer make sure it doesn't happen in the first place!!
Auto Boxes - Why?!?! They have the easiest way of changing gear EVER, they move their finger towards the steering wheel, trapping a little pedal that sticks out of the steering column, and miraculously the gear changes! All this auto box stuff, it just isn't racing!!
I remember watching Senna and Mansell racing in the early 90's, one of my first memories of F1, they used to drive the cars like racing drivers, battling for track position into every corner, touching wheels, bouncing off each other, not really giving a fk abouy anyone but themselves, of the car broke, the team fixed it, if they ran out of fuel, tuff shit, the racing wasn't done by pit crews or computers, it was done by the drivers, and the drivers needed to do more and more the further you go back, 80's, 70's, 60's some people say the 60's and 70's was when the drivers could really drive a car. My Dad and my grandpa both claim that this was when F1 really was at it's pinnacle!
McNab - How many computer aids, be it, Traction Control, Launch Control, Button Controlled Clutch did you have when you drove at Le Mans?!?!
See my point
Allow me to explain!
Computers!
F1 are always banging on about how they use computers etc, but they are using technology that was developed before they used it! AMD, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, Apple etc have all, in there own small way, developed technology that lead to the recent IT BOOM! AMD, the first Affordable Gig CPU, Intel, the first affordable 2 Gig CPU, Microsoft Affordale (when Pirated) OS, IBM Affordable Multigig Hard Drives (I'm running a 30GB 7200rpm that cost £100 18months ago!)
F1 are using this technology, not developing it!
As as for driver aids, it's bolloks,
Clutch - My clutch isn't controlled by a button on my steering wheel, its controllled by something that sits jut above the floor, I believe they call it a pedal!!
Launch Control - How come I can pull away, quickly or otherwise, without the use of computer aids to stop me stalling the car?? But the likes of Schubox, DC, Chocolate Button and co can't!!!
Traction Control - Dealing with wheel spin, ie, irradicating it as soon as possible, is all part of driving, if your pulling away from a junction on the road, and get a liitle over enthusiastic with the right foot, you have to very quickly react to kill the wqheel spin and get forward motion, not let some computer make sure it doesn't happen in the first place!!
Auto Boxes - Why?!?! They have the easiest way of changing gear EVER, they move their finger towards the steering wheel, trapping a little pedal that sticks out of the steering column, and miraculously the gear changes! All this auto box stuff, it just isn't racing!!
I remember watching Senna and Mansell racing in the early 90's, one of my first memories of F1, they used to drive the cars like racing drivers, battling for track position into every corner, touching wheels, bouncing off each other, not really giving a f
k abouy anyone but themselves, of the car broke, the team fixed it, if they ran out of fuel, tuff shit, the racing wasn't done by pit crews or computers, it was done by the drivers, and the drivers needed to do more and more the further you go back, 80's, 70's, 60's some people say the 60's and 70's was when the drivers could really drive a car. My Dad and my grandpa both claim that this was when F1 really was at it's pinnacle! McNab - How many computer aids, be it, Traction Control, Launch Control, Button Controlled Clutch did you have when you drove at Le Mans?!?!
See my point
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attribute a large amount of his success in recent years to the technical brilliance of Ross Brawn,
... please let's not forget Jean Todd as well. This man won every category he competed in.
In any case, I don't think that motor racing is particularly interesting to watch on telly. I think it is more the case of being there, hearing the noise and smelling the oil. A noticable exception seems to be the way they are packaging the WRC, now that's impressive!
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I'd prefer it if there were no pit stops....every race appears to be won by tactics, It would be a step in the right direction if drivers won by overtaking on the track not in the pits
In that case Shue would have just won from pole
There is no overtaking in the top places, only when there is a pitstop
I watched a 200 lap NASCAR race the other night from Texas Motor Speedway and it rocked. Although the race was called off towards the end It was good TV. Having said that, I'm sure it's not a patch on being there. Despite the rough weather, the crowd was huge, and that's because the Americans really know how to turn an event into a show and spectacle that almost anyone can enjoy. Reasonable prices for bleachers seats, good access and parking, loads of loos and lots of places to get reasonably priced decent fast food.
On the contrary, the Brits are, well, shit at this. I went to the British GP a couple of years back (only because I got a free ride there and a free paddock and pits pass). It pi$$ed it down all day and the race was, well, crap. I felt sorry for the poor sods that paid x hundred quid to sit in the pouring rain in Northamptonshire watching dull cars drone round in a line. On top of this, it took 2 hours to get out the ruddy circuit. Crap city.
Roop
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On the contrary, the Brits are, well, shit at this. I went to the British GP a couple of years back (only because I got a free ride there and a free paddock and pits pass). It pi$$ed it down all day and the race was, well, crap. I felt sorry for the poor sods that paid x hundred quid to sit in the pouring rain in Northamptonshire watching dull cars drone round in a line. On top of this, it took 2 hours to get out the ruddy circuit. Crap city.
Roop
>> Edited by roop on Tuesday 16th April 13:38
If F1 is going to get back on it's feet and get Mr DieHard fan back at the tracks, they need to do the following very simple things!
1. Drop tickets prices to Le Mans Standard. I was at LM in '00. £27 for a ticket, which was pre testing, qualifying and the race!!
2. Inprove basic facilities, Parking, Feeding, Drinking, Sitting and Sg!
3. Get the yellow flag out at every given opportunity, just as is done in IRL/CART! I don't think I have seen a race yet where the winner has walked away from the rest of the field!
Get the yellow flag/SC out, bunch the field up, then release them and do this every time Schubox looks like he is going to leave the fiels standing!
1. Drop tickets prices to Le Mans Standard. I was at LM in '00. £27 for a ticket, which was pre testing, qualifying and the race!!
2. Inprove basic facilities, Parking, Feeding, Drinking, Sitting and S
g! 3. Get the yellow flag out at every given opportunity, just as is done in IRL/CART! I don't think I have seen a race yet where the winner has walked away from the rest of the field!
Get the yellow flag/SC out, bunch the field up, then release them and do this every time Schubox looks like he is going to leave the fiels standing!
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The biggest difference between the teams is no longer the driver, but the technical director.
I've said this already elsewhere but I think it's actually the guys who negotiate the sponsorship who make the difference.
The team with the most money win. Period.
That's not racing. Neither is all this "I had the corner, I'm really disappointed he cut me up because he's supposed to be a good driver" bulls**t - yes, I'm talking to you J-PM. It's supposed to be racing for f**k's sake !! Watch MotoGP - they carve each other up at every opportunity then shake hands on the wind-down lap because they're racers and that's what they do.
If F1 drivers did anything as exciting as that they'd still be mewling and whining about each other when it was time for the next race.
Interesting comments on the yellow flag thing, because CART is trying to reduce full course yellows as it turns the racing into a NASCRAP-style circus. From a competitors point of view, it is thoroughly frustrating to see a lead wiped out just because someone wants to spice things up a bit. NASCAR is popular because its target audience is, well, not too bright. It is a shame that we have it foisted upon us in Britain and people convince themselves that it's great.
There should be no stops in F1; just fill them up with fuel, bolt on some hard tyres and race to the finish like 'bikes.
There should be no stops in F1; just fill them up with fuel, bolt on some hard tyres and race to the finish like 'bikes.
No, Montoya was absolutely correct and you are wrong. Schumacher is a shitbag and the stewards are biased: that is common knowledge. Montoya thought he was racing against the best drivers in the world, but it is supposed to happen fairly. You should read Nigel Roebuck's columns in Autosport and on Autosport.com.
'Bike racers are hard, but they are not like MS. They have to give each other room because they respect the dangers involved - even Biaggi and Rossi, whose hatred runs far deeper than Senna/Prost.
'Bike racers are hard, but they are not like MS. They have to give each other room because they respect the dangers involved - even Biaggi and Rossi, whose hatred runs far deeper than Senna/Prost.
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