Wednesday 11th August 2010

Euro 5 Signals Death Knell For Civic Type R

Emissions regs kill screaming Civic for EU market

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Forthcoming emissions regulations are set to kill off another British-built, Japanese-engined Performance car - the Honda Civic Type R.

Seemingly not content with killing the Toyota-engined 1.8-litre Lotus Elise and Exige, the coming of Euro 5 regs means that the Swindon-built Civic Type R will die - at least as far as European markets are concerned - in December.

Production for UK and EU-bound Type Rs ends in October, although Swindon will continue to make them for South Africa and Australia.

The current Type R hasn't exactly been the darling of critics - who panned its torsion beam rear suspension and general not-as-good-as-it-ought-to-have-been-ness - but it has been popular, with more than 12,000 Type Rs sold in the UK since January 2007.

It's always sad to see a screaming VTEC motor die, too - even if it does mean you'll get £2230 off a Type R GT (making it £19,495) as part of the run-out deal.

We just hope that Honda doesn't get all silly with the next Civic Type R (an all-new Civic is due next year) and make it a hybrid, or something similarly irritating...

[snorkel sucker]

as a previous owner of 3 vtec engined cars, its sad to see the demise of what is one of the best engines to adorn a hot hatch. Forced induction was easy by comparison, and aurally dull. The way the civic made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up was something i will never forget. It was my first foray into performance motoring and to this day i can still remember savouring that first venture into vtec

RIP

[G0ldfysh]

Next one will have a hybrid turbo motor :s
all the manufacturers think this is the way for the emissions, Type R's like M series BMW's never the same.

[CoopR]

What a shame I loved my EP3 and the engine was just fantasticly enjoyable when having a spirited drive compared to some of the more boring turbo 4 pots.

I do hope that Honda don't pull out of this section of the market entirely.

[HellDiver]

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

[snorkel sucker]

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

indeed. it was such a backward step when they introduced the S2000; with, i believe at the time, the highest rated bhp/litre output of any production car ....

[slipstream 1985]

another case for us to leave the EU and tell them to stick their regulations and rules up their a**e

Edited by slipstream 1985 on Wednesday 11th August 13:07

[Gun]

I really do wish Europe would take their emissions regs and go fk themselves with them.

[daz4m]

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

You're way off the mark!!

[MIP1983]

I wonder why it (and the toyota 1.8) fail exactly? Would be interesting to know roughly how these regs work. e.g. is there a maximum amount of CO2 for the engines displacement or somthing like that?

[Greg_D]

snorkel sucker said:

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

indeed. it was such a backward step when they introduced the S2000; with, i believe at the time, the highest rated bhp/litre output of any production car ....

Ferrari 360 was better at the time, but point taken. Was the same true of torque/ton?

Greg

[Matt_N]

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

???

Honda are one of the most progressive car makers around.

[HellDiver]

VTEC engines haven't changed for a long, long time. Everyone else has gone with smaller, turbo engines to increase power and reduce emissions.

The story proves this - the engine is being canned due to emissions.

So, exactly how am I off the mark?

[coogy]

Sad times. VTEC is awesome

[djt100]

MIP1983 said:

I wonder why it (and the toyota 1.8) fail exactly? Would be interesting to know roughly how these regs work. e.g. is there a maximum amount of CO2 for the engines displacement or somthing like that?

I was wondering this also..Whats really that bad, must be worse engines out there that are also going to be in for the chop

[[AJ]]

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

Yeah Honda should stick a 1.8 Duratec in the next one.. cos that'll be progress. On no, wait.

[kambites]

MIP1983 said:

I wonder why it (and the toyota 1.8) fail exactly? Would be interesting to know roughly how these regs work. e.g. is there a maximum amount of CO2 for the engines displacement or somthing like that?

It's not CO2 levels that are the problem, it's other chemicals.

[Jonnyspeed]

Who needs torque when you have revv’s

[ManOpener]

snorkel sucker said:

HellDiver said:

Ah well, nice to see Honda will have to come out of the 80's at last.

indeed. it was such a backward step when they introduced the S2000; with, i believe at the time, the highest rated bhp/litre output of any production car ....

Of any N/A production car, anyway. Evo FQ400 is 201bhp/L.

[daz4m]

HellDiver said:

VTEC engines haven't changed for a long, long time. Everyone else has gone with smaller, turbo engines to increase power and reduce emissions.

The story proves this - the engine is being canned due to emissions.

So, exactly how am I off the mark?

Your off the mark because you think that is a good thing. The K20 is one of the best 4 cylinder na engines ever produced and I would have one any day over a 4 cylinder turbo. The principles of the engine haven't changed a great deal but they have got better over the years.

It's also sad that BMW are losing NA for Turbo power in the M cars.

Edited by daz4m on Wednesday 11th August 13:16

[oyster]

Hello.....
This NOT to do with CO2 emissions. This is all about other particulants and pollutants.

Never let facts get in the way of your agrguments though.