RE: Driven: Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 AMG - The Red Pig

RE: Driven: Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 AMG - The Red Pig

Monday 9th August 2010

Driven: Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 AMG - The Red Pig

Two minutes behind the wheel and deaf for a week... (With Video)


300 SEL 6.8 AMG Racer - 'Roten Sau'
300 SEL 6.8 AMG Racer - 'Roten Sau'
Red Pig or ‘Roten Sau’ is not the kindest nickname ever bestowed on a historic racer, but presumably it summed up some of the sentiment surrounding the Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 AMG back in 1971 when it was entered in the 24 hours of Spa.

The 300 SEL in race trim, bored out to 6.8 litres and making around 420hp, caused a sensation by finishing the race in second place, in spite of its prodigious appetite for fuel and tyres. It was an auspicious start for M-B’s tuning arm, and set the tone for an engineering philosophy that hasn’t changed a lot since. So big Benzes married to mighty AMG-fettled V8s have given us knee-trembling thrills for nearly 40 years, and long may the relationship continue!

"Want, want, want, want, want, want..."
"Want, want, want, want, want, want..."
This isn’t the Roten Sau that found fame at Spa, because the original was sold to Matra in France to use for testing fighter aircraft landing gear. Apparently a hole was cut in the floorpan behind the front seats, so aircraft tyres could be lowered to the track at 200mph with 600-800lbs of pressure and measurements recorded. There wasn’t really much else on the market that could do that sort of thing back in the 1970s. Or nowadays, come to that.

The ultimate fate of the Roten Sau is unclear, and this replica was built for the Geneva motor show by AMG in 2006. Apparently even finding a suitable base car was a trial, as the restoration team needed a car without a sunroof and aircon – and most of the 6500 300 SELs built between 1968-72 were luxuriously equipped. This car was found in Berlin, and new parts for the reconstruction were gathered from all round Western Europe with every panel being replaced apart from the front passenger door. The restoration/rebuild was completed in six weeks, which is the sort of progress you can achieve if you own a car company.

Interior is pretty standard, wheel apart
Interior is pretty standard, wheel apart
AMG wheeled the beast out unexpectedly at the launch of the 5.5 litre S63, and a few of us got to take it for a spin around a disused airfield. A couple of minutes behind the wheel - with a stern instruction not to burn rubber - meant there wasn’t time to do much more than briefly bask in the (relatively) vintage atmosphere, revel in the sound of that gloriously unrestricted V8 and giggle quite a lot. But if you must have ‘driving impressions’, well on the airstrip’s smooth asphalt it felt much like any big Merc of the era, with ride and steering occupying that curious ‘twilight zone’ between classic and modern.

The slightly incongruous leather 'sports' wheel needed a bit of a twirl, and the four-speed auto box had an old-school ponderous feel, but we can’t really begin to imagine how the car must have felt at full chat on the circuit at Spa. Utterly heroic, or utterly insane probably, depending on your point of view.

Son of Red Pig - aka 'Thirty-Five'
Son of Red Pig - aka 'Thirty-Five'
As you can see (hear!) from the video clip, AMG also had their newer version of the ‘Red Pig’ on hand, in the shape of the one-off S63 they used to first launch their new 5.5 litre twin-turbo V8. That one sounds pretty good too...

(Apologies for the video quality – those V8s were making the ground shake.)

 

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pSyCoSiS

Original Poster:

3,731 posts

212 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Proper iconic machine.

I can on;ly begin to imagine what that 6.8 AMG engine sounds like!

y2blade

56,203 posts

222 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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cloud9

Chris-R

756 posts

194 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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pSyCoSiS said:
Proper iconic machine.

I can on;ly begin to imagine what that 6.8 AMG engine sounds like!
That was the point of the video! smile

Paul 8v

730 posts

187 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Needs more lights laugh

Looks awesome, I can't play the video at work but I'll have a listen when I get back home

Wolands Advocate

2,495 posts

223 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Definitely cloud9 !!

Make mine a standard-looking black 6.3 but with that engine and noise....

Mars

9,104 posts

221 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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There's something innately cool about that car.

I would like one, sober paintjob, bumpers etc, wide but non-descript wheels, the big AMG engine and a lightly silenced exhaust. Then I'd see if my MD fancied a race in his V8 Vantage. smile

ex6

16 posts

180 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Über-Cool cars (both the old one and new one) but the video clip was kinda crap.

Mr Teddy Bear

186 posts

198 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Thats one hell of a Benz!............by the seize of the stearing wheel not a standard stearing box though?

MAD63

47 posts

179 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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my Daily Driver is 6.3 . The small wheel is handy but the 6.3 had it's specific steering box with quicker ratio than the normal mercs.The power steer is probably better than most and feels better than later model mercs.
The replica car is only a 6.3 with the stock injection etc. The Spa Cars spare engine lives on in Klaus Berhmanns 6.8 race car in Germany .
The AMG engine was special in that it had a specially cat block,heads which were made for AMG and the intake comprised of Dual throttle bodies.
AMG was funded by themselves(with volunteer support from Eric Waxenburger) where as the Winning Capri was backed with unlimited funding from Henry Ford II.
If you thought that 6.3 was impressive,just consider the fact it is a standard engine and not even a AMG stage 1 unit. :-)

jith

2,752 posts

222 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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I had two of these in the early 70s and a third in the late 70s. The third was the most interesting and the best.

I used to buy anything interesting from the Ian Skelly centre in Glasgow, who at that time were the Quattro dealers. I got a 'phone call from the salesman to say they had taken, "this big Merc in a trade in and nobody knows what it is. Oh, by the way, it makes a helluva noise; we think a big end's gone!"

I duly arrived at the site to discover a 300 SEL 6.3 in azurite blue with an utterly immaculate interior. The interiors in these cars were nothing short of magnificent: the build quality second to none. This one had dark blue bedford cord seating with polished walnut cappings on the dash and doors. The lower half of the body needed painting, but the top was virtually perfect. The car sat on its original steel wheels shod with 225/70/15 tyres, enormous in their day.

These cars are equipped with pneumatic suspension, the ride height controlled by a subtle chrome lever on the centre console. From memory there are three settings, the lowest for high speed driving. The pressure for this system come from a huge twin cylinder compressor mounted on the front of the engine and belt driven from the crank.

Both front exhaust pipes were cracked, probably due to driving over a yump with the suspension fully depressed. If you think the Merc in the article was loud, this was unbelievable! There was also a serious clatter from the front of the engine.

I risked a quick road test that resulted in the salesman turning grey as we howled sideways up Kilmarnock Road; something you would get the jail for nowadays! I noticed his hand wet and still trembling as we shook on the deal.

There was indeed a big end away, but it turned out to be in the compressor for the suspension. I stripped it down and turned out a new bearing on the lathe in oilite; the crank was unmarked and perfect. After several 'phone calls, I located a full new exhaust system from an MB dealer down south, who gave me a substantial discount as it was old stock. A new coat of paint on the bottom half and we were ready to go.

The standard exhaust on these cars was extremely efficient; twin pipe throughout, very large diameter and straight through on the main and tail boxes, and it sounded beautiful. Smooth and burbly at idle, changing to an aggressive, muted howl as the revs increased. But the best bit of all was the noise from the engine itself. On opening the bonnet you are confronted by an engine that literally fills the whole compartment; the most impressive parts being the huge, twin intake manifolds rearing up from both cylinder heads. In between these nestles what has got to be the largest mechanical injection pump ever fitted to a private car!

I think that the combination of the induction note, the mechanical injection pump and the compressor result in a sinister, rustling hiss that has got to be heard to be appreciated. It is simply addictive!

All of this is driven through a four speed MB transmission that can be driven manually by using the selector. MB rated this engine at 250 BHP, but if this is accurate then they must all have been Arabian Stallions. The power and torque are phenomenal, and you can make the rear tyres yelp changing up into top!

An absolutely unforgettable car with only one drawback. Twelve miles per gallon!

braddo

11,255 posts

195 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Wolands Advocate said:
Definitely cloud9 !!

Make mine a standard-looking black 6.3 but with that engine and noise....
Do a search on youtube for 'mercedes 300sel 6.3 burnout' and you'll find an Aussie with a gorgeous black/red 6.3 and an unsilenced exhaust.

One of my dream cars.

james_tigerwoods

16,332 posts

204 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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jith said:
A bunch of stuff
Hats off to you sir - Got any photos?

dinkel

27,182 posts

265 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Purlease?

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

190 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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3 cheers for AMG V8s... biggrin

Top tip from lith on AMG parts too, phone round the dealers and see who has old stock.. £3K for an old c-class exhaust is.. quite a lot.


dinkel

27,182 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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6.3 gem.