Big Main Fuse - Gone for Good!
Big Main Fuse - Gone for Good!
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FactoryPilot

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1,352 posts

245 months

Saturday 7th August 2010
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I've only ever had one big fuse start to fail, but it is obviously quite a common problem, so I'm in the process of replacing it completely with a 100A 12V DC MCB (circuit breaker). A bit like the type you have in your house, but specifically rated for DC applications, such as boats, cars, etc.

At least this way, if it blows, I can just flick it back on.

Did a bit of searching and can't see anyone else that's done this?

Is there something I should know......... smile

Cheers FP

Hoover.

5,993 posts

271 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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FactoryPilot said:
Is there something I should know......... smile

Cheers FP
Yeah......... no-one else has thought about it hehe

Pink_Floyd

900 posts

250 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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FactoryPilot said:
so I'm in the process of replacing it completely with a 100A 12V DC MCB (circuit breaker).
Where did you get it from.

FactoryPilot

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1,352 posts

245 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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I'm in the trade, so I'm getting it direct from the factory. Once I've fitted it and made sure there are no issues, I'm happy to get a few more if anyone is interested. Not sure what the cost is yet, I'll have to check the invoice one it's arrived. smile

Pupp

12,948 posts

301 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Where will it live? I assume not hanging off the chassis near the starter motor...

FactoryPilot

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1,352 posts

245 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Not sure yet - will keep you posted. It needs to be in a relatively accessible place.... but without having to do too much rewiring.

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

254 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Is it really that much of an inconvenience to carry a spare fuse? Better still, solve the problem completely by just uprating the standard 100A strip link fuse with a more durable 125A Midi fuse? It's a common modification. smile

Far Eastender

1,362 posts

247 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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I've just had a service at STR8SIX and they changed the fuse to 125 amp

T350 Al

624 posts

220 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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FactoryPilot said:
Not sure yet - will keep you posted. It needs to be in a relatively accessible place.... but without having to do too much rewiring.
You could relocate it to where the other 100amp fuse is in the passenger's footwell? It's a mod I've been meaning to do for a while.

jimed

1,508 posts

235 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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As above the replacment 125A fuse is a good alternative and as it is not just the plain bit of ali it is more robust, etc. Both that and the 80A replaced were last week as a precautionary measure (after several comments on here about the need to regularly replace them and an impending trip during which I don't really want to have to grovel about) so should be OK now for a while. Must say though the old 100A looked very nice and shiny so maybe the issue is partly about keeping the muck off them by ensuring the box is sealed OK but mine was located under the chassis rather than facing the starter so possibly a better location than some??
Jim

LeeT350c

575 posts

210 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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I was going to do this using a 125 amp 12vdc circuit breaker used in solar power aplications.

To be honest it was not worth it.

I did however move my fuse holder onto the inner wing so no hassle to change if anything happened.

Cheers

Lee

FactoryPilot

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245 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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dvs_dave said:
Is it really that much of an inconvenience to carry a spare fuse? Better still, solve the problem completely by just uprating the standard 100A strip link fuse with a more durable 125A Midi fuse? It's a common modification. smile
I don't really like the idea of uprating fuses unless wiring etc has also been uprated. My theory, rightly or wrongly, is that TVR made them 100A for a reason. If 125A was that much better they would have just done it at the factory. Let's be honest, the problem has been around for ages so it's not like the factory would have been oblivious to it.

And whilst not wishing to state the obvious, the wiring might not be up to the job of carrying a potential 125A load. In which case, the wiring gets hot and furious

Don't get me wrong, I know the 125A fuse is a hugely popular mod and one that I'm sure many people never have a problem with, but knowing my luck.......

Plus, I suspect that if an insurance company did a proper inspection following a fire and discovered that the fuse was 125A instead of 100A, I'd put money on them not paying out.... especially if the cause was an electrical fault.... which most car fires tend to be.

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Fusible rating & continuous ratings get very complicated AFIK. Substituting a fast breaker for an intumescent strip may not be as straightforward as simply selecting similar amp ratings?

FactoryPilot

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1,352 posts

245 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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You need to measure the peak start-up current, once you have this you can then select the correct circuit breaker. You are correct in that just replacing with any old 100A Circuit Breaker might not work - it needs to be a 100A Circuit Breaker that is correctly rated to handle the start-up current without tripping the thing out.

ETA: I must admit, DC systems are not my particular speciality, so plenty of research is going on behing the scenes too..... smile

Edited by FactoryPilot on Tuesday 10th August 00:18

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

254 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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FactoryPilot said:
dvs_dave said:
Is it really that much of an inconvenience to carry a spare fuse? Better still, solve the problem completely by just uprating the standard 100A strip link fuse with a more durable 125A Midi fuse? It's a common modification. smile
I don't really like the idea of uprating fuses unless wiring etc has also been uprated. My theory, rightly or wrongly, is that TVR made them 100A for a reason. If 125A was that much better they would have just done it at the factory. Let's be honest, the problem has been around for ages so it's not like the factory would have been oblivious to it.

And whilst not wishing to state the obvious, the wiring might not be up to the job of carrying a potential 125A load. In which case, the wiring gets hot and furious

Don't get me wrong, I know the 125A fuse is a hugely popular mod and one that I'm sure many people never have a problem with, but knowing my luck.......

Plus, I suspect that if an insurance company did a proper inspection following a fire and discovered that the fuse was 125A instead of 100A, I'd put money on them not paying out.... especially if the cause was an electrical fault.... which most car fires tend to be.
I know what you're saying but the 125A change is a dealer mod. Also the original strip link fuses are much more susceptible to fatigue fractures than Midi fuses and I believe this is actually the main cause of failures, rather than them burning out. If you're worried about overheating the wiring, just fit a 100A Midi fuse instead.

Whilst the MCB is an alternative, I can't help thinking its an unnessearily complicated solution (and consequently more prone to failure) to what is otherwise a very simple and effective fix. Anyway, let us know how you get on. smile

neal1980

2,584 posts

268 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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DVS Dave said:
is that TVR made them 100A for a reason
More like they had a box of old 100amp under the bench and thought lets use these.. biglaugh

Edited by neal1980 on Tuesday 10th August 08:57

Pink_Floyd

900 posts

250 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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Anyone moved their 100Amp fuse from under the chasis to any where else?

crackedfinger

1,569 posts

258 months

Tuesday 10th August 2010
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FactoryPilot said:
You need to measure the peak start-up current, once you have this you can then select the correct circuit breaker. You are correct in that just replacing with any old 100A Circuit Breaker might not work - it needs to be a 100A Circuit Breaker that is correctly rated to handle the start-up current without tripping the thing out.

ETA: I must admit, DC systems are not my particular speciality, so plenty of research is going on behing the scenes too..... smile

Edited by FactoryPilot on Tuesday 10th August 00:18
You will find that the starter isn't fused, its the supply from the alternator and whatever the other one is for (is that battery to fusebox?)

snorky

2,322 posts

280 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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will an MCB be happy in that situation - last time I checked my house didn't bounce into potholes...????

Chuggaboom

1,152 posts

277 months

Wednesday 11th August 2010
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Anyone know why Cerbs have a 100 amp fuse when other TVR's don't ?