Kimi's Rage with Marshall!
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Can't agree more - he should be repremanded for this one. Club racers are always being told (and agree with) how greatful they should be to the Marshalls, they give up their time FOC and do what is a dangerous job in all conditions.
Formula 1 drivers are supposed to be brought back to the masses, rather than enhansing their premadonna status. An example should be made
Formula 1 drivers are supposed to be brought back to the masses, rather than enhansing their premadonna status. An example should be made
I'm sorry but if I had been driving for nearly an hour in a hot restrictive car in heavy layers, a helmet, with 100 degree heat and then my car had stopped through no fault of my own leading to no points for the second time in a row - I'd be a little irate.
But then I'm only human. Not quite so sure about Kimi...
But then I'm only human. Not quite so sure about Kimi...
I think you need to have been in a similar position to know how he felt.
I've had to step out of a race car mid-race in a state of mind that would have had me giving my mum a slap let alone a marshall!
Yes, they do a good job
Yes, they get little or nothing for it
Yes, they can be a bit over-zealous
Yes, they have a tiny bit of 'authority' and will use it any chance they get.
IMHO.
I've had to step out of a race car mid-race in a state of mind that would have had me giving my mum a slap let alone a marshall!
Yes, they do a good job
Yes, they get little or nothing for it
Yes, they can be a bit over-zealous
Yes, they have a tiny bit of 'authority' and will use it any chance they get.
IMHO.
The Wiz said:
It proves he's actually got a personality .... sort of.
ach - after seeing his interviews id say hes more of a machine than schumacher. he always speaks in an unflinching monotone devoid of any emotion whatsoever. maybe itll be a bit like 'falling down' and all his rage will explode one day and hell go properly loco. well, at least itd be more interesting than "for sure, it was a difficult race" etc......
paolow said:
It proves he's actually got a personality .... sort of.
ach - after seeing his interviews id say hes more of a machine than schumacher. he always speaks in an unflinching monotone devoid of any emotion whatsoever. maybe itll be a bit like 'falling down' and all his rage will explode one day and hell go properly loco. well, at least itd be more interesting than "for sure, it was a difficult race" etc......
Okay, you can have a dig at the way he speaks etc., but he's like Hakkinen in that he's a rather different person away from the cameras and press conferences. Though I freely admit that his press conferences are horrendous! Finns are generally like that - you don't find that many extroverts.
He also speaks rather better English than most people speak Finnish.
Didn't see the incident that was mentioned, but marshals should realise that they shouldn't go near uninjured-but-seething racing drivers. Mind you, if a Brazilian had done it it would probably have been put down to his "latin temperament" and shrugged off.
Frik said:
I'm sorry but if I had been driving for nearly an hour in a hot restrictive car in heavy layers, a helmet, with 100 degree heat and then my car had stopped through no fault of my own leading to no points for the second time in a row - I'd be a little irate.
But then I'm only human. Not quite so sure about Kimi...
and if you had spent the day at a race circuit in march with rain and wind in your face for ten hours thinking " i could be in the pub" your thinking woud be entirely different. kimi should be thankful that the marshal turned up because if they dont then theres no racing going to take place....
Stig said:
I think you need to have been in a similar position to know how he felt.
I've had to step out of a race car mid-race in a state of mind that would have had me giving my mum a slap let alone a marshall!
Yes, they do a good job
Yes, they get little or nothing for it
Yes, they can be a bit over-zealous
Yes, they have a tiny bit of 'authority' and will use it any chance they get.
IMHO.
Stig, thanks for the kind comments,
One of the reasons for directing a driver to the banking is if Kimi (for want of a better example) went of there, so could someone else, and while the driver is looking over his car he isn't neccesarily paying attention to what is happening around him.
In general the marshal should gently guide the driver to safety, not push him away from the car, a gentle tap on the shoulder and a guiding point to the safe area should be enough, but as we all know, what "should" happen doesn't always work in practice.
The marshals are there to ensure the safety of the competitors and as far as I know in most cases are unpaid.
The drivers should respect them and follow their instructions. After all the marshalls are doing what they have been told to. Anyway the fact that his car broke down cn hardly have been a suprise to Kimi!
The drivers should respect them and follow their instructions. After all the marshalls are doing what they have been told to. Anyway the fact that his car broke down cn hardly have been a suprise to Kimi!
mutley said:
In general the marshal should gently guide the driver to safety, not push him away from the car, a gentle tap on the shoulder and a guiding point to the safe area should be enough, but as we all know, what "should" happen doesn't always work in practice.
Good point. Kimi /should/ have gratiously taken the guidance of the marshal, but as we all know, what should happen...
If you look at the footage, I'd say the marshall took kimi by suprise by running up behind and try to move him on quickly. Kimi's reaction (especially wearing a full face helmet thus limited vision) was a natural one.
If he's already walking, why would he need more help to get to the barrier?
I would have done the same. The marshall did not need to make physical contact with him, simple.
pablo said:
and if you had spent the day at a race circuit in march with rain and wind in your face for ten hours thinking " i could be in the pub" your thinking woud be entirely different. kimi should be thankful that the marshal turned up because if they dont then theres no racing going to take place....
Very good point. Felt very sorry for the poor buggers stood out at Becketts at Silverstone on Saturday. It was stupidly cold and windy up there, and even worse when it was raining. I believe the Marshalls at Oulton get a tenner and a free bacon butty for turning up, but most of them are unpaid.
Having said that though, I shouldn't imagine you would want anyone near you if you'd just retired again, and been suited up in god knows how many layers of clothing in 35 degree heat.
pablo said:Of course marshalls do a fantastic job, we should all be thankful for them. Not quite sure what you are getting at though. Are you saying that you would have rather been driving an F1 car in very hot weather? Seriously?
I'm sorry but if I had been driving for nearly an hour in a hot restrictive car in heavy layers, a helmet, with 100 degree heat and then my car had stopped through no fault of my own leading to no points for the second time in a row - I'd be a little irate.
But then I'm only human. Not quite so sure about Kimi...
and if you had spent the day at a race circuit in march with rain and wind in your face for ten hours thinking " i could be in the pub" your thinking woud be entirely different. kimi should be thankful that the marshal turned up because if they dont then theres no racing going to take place....
Think we are missing the point and sorry to say I have been in a similar situation.
You are pumped up full to brim with adrenalin, brain in overdrive and suffering an extreme form of bereavement.
When someone however well meaning starts pushing you around. Your brain is not really engaged in 'lets do the polite conversation' bit and next thing you know you have told someone who is trying to save your life to f-off.
Most marshals are well aware of how drivers are feeling - they pick enough of us out the old tyres to know that it’s a very unhappy camper they are dealing with.
I can see what people are saying. Of course drivers should be immensely grateful to the marshalls for their attendance and help.
But, I'm sorry, I have to say that if I was in the state of mind Kimi was in, I wouldn't want anyone invading my personal space to that extent and would probably have behaved in a similar fashion.
From the angle I saw it, the marshall almost collided with him and gave him a fair shove in the back. I wouldn't have liked that, and evidently neither did he.
But, I'm sorry, I have to say that if I was in the state of mind Kimi was in, I wouldn't want anyone invading my personal space to that extent and would probably have behaved in a similar fashion.
From the angle I saw it, the marshall almost collided with him and gave him a fair shove in the back. I wouldn't have liked that, and evidently neither did he.
Is giving a marshall a bit of a shove to be classed as 'rage'?I've seen more irate drivers in Sainsburys car park,and you only have to drive down Streatham High Street to catch a glimpse of drivers 'raging'!What Mr Roboto done on Sunday was a natural reaction to getting pounced on by an over-enthusiastic marshal who did give him a bit of a suprise.It looked as if Kimi was making his way to saftey at the same pace he talks,just let him be and he'll get there in the end!A total cynic would say that the marshal probably knew that the world's TV cameras would be pointing in that very direction at that moment in time,so thought it would be a good chance to get on the telly......
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