More boring than previously thought shocker
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DanBoy said:
I quite like watching GP (in my living room where I can see ALL the track on the screen as the cars go round it).
I forgot it was on though.
F*cksh*tb*llocks.
I have an old PC racing game called 'Sports car GT' I start a long race, drive one lap and go into the pits and have my teammate (the PC) take over the driving so i can spectate the rest of the race!
The outcome of the race is far more unpredicatable than GP and i get to control my teams pit strategies and all the camera's and stuff, I find this far more stimulating than watching a proper GP race these days, how sad is that?
Oh come on
There's nearly always a huge chance Shumi is going to win every race.
But people say they don't like watching it now because he keeps winning? Winning isn't everything (for spectating
).
The GP in Malaysia was quite interesting I thought. We saw that Webber is actually quite a good driver (for qualifying at least
), and BAR have done some really good work.
You may aswell give F1 a chance. Just watch the next few races. Can't wait till the first ever Bahrain GP!
There's nearly always a huge chance Shumi is going to win every race.
But people say they don't like watching it now because he keeps winning? Winning isn't everything (for spectating
). The GP in Malaysia was quite interesting I thought. We saw that Webber is actually quite a good driver (for qualifying at least
), and BAR have done some really good work. You may aswell give F1 a chance. Just watch the next few races. Can't wait till the first ever Bahrain GP!
hedders said:
I don't think i saw two cars sharing the same bit of track at any point...very dull.
Were we watching the same race? There were quite few 2 into 1 situations, not least Ralf puncturing Webber (the unlucky get) and Jenson's contact with Trulli. Some bloody good midfield action I thought.
Hopefully Oz will be a one-off, cause this race was cracking.
i must have watched a different race as it was as dull as ditchwater where we were!Shumi was playing with Montoya and i think he could have gone much faster if pushed.....then theres the getting past bit,which just ain't gonna happen with a car at the front so fast with the best driver in it.
The split second of entertainment in the race was when i though Kimi was gonna smack the marshal...
The split second of entertainment in the race was when i though Kimi was gonna smack the marshal...
I switched on at lap 28 of 56. Din't get to see any overtaking manoevres at all, although it was rumoured there might have been one earlier.
Given all the action in a GP tends to occur on the first few laps, why don't they scrap the 1:20 race and have a 20 min sprint and a 40 min longer race. More points, more action, and less processional boredom of the later part of the race.
"Oh, look, Montoya just took 0.03 seconds off Schumacher, now he's only 10.67 seconds behind with 23 laps to go, how exciting!".
Given all the action in a GP tends to occur on the first few laps, why don't they scrap the 1:20 race and have a 20 min sprint and a 40 min longer race. More points, more action, and less processional boredom of the later part of the race.
"Oh, look, Montoya just took 0.03 seconds off Schumacher, now he's only 10.67 seconds behind with 23 laps to go, how exciting!".
I don't know why everyone complains about the lack of overtaking in F1 these days as if it was rampant years ago. It wasn't, it's about as rare now as it was then.
The ammount of overtaking in F1 is comparable to any period or racing. It's just most people have only seen a few clips of overtaking manouverers, just a few minutes of action from years of racing.
The French GP at Dijon in 1979, the last three laps where Villenueve's Ferrari is battling Arnoux's Renault, hailed as the battle of F1. Well yes it was but the preceding 77 laps were as boring as anything you might see today. And Gilles Villeneuve led the most boring race in F1 history in 1981 when he won the Spanish GP, no one could overtake him.......yet it was hailed as a master drive. (well his car handled like a barn door but had the most powerful turbo engine so no one could pass him on the straight).
It's always going to have boring bit's, that's why the producers always put together highlights from the year as a season review. Which only shows the best bits
The ammount of overtaking in F1 is comparable to any period or racing. It's just most people have only seen a few clips of overtaking manouverers, just a few minutes of action from years of racing.
The French GP at Dijon in 1979, the last three laps where Villenueve's Ferrari is battling Arnoux's Renault, hailed as the battle of F1. Well yes it was but the preceding 77 laps were as boring as anything you might see today. And Gilles Villeneuve led the most boring race in F1 history in 1981 when he won the Spanish GP, no one could overtake him.......yet it was hailed as a master drive. (well his car handled like a barn door but had the most powerful turbo engine so no one could pass him on the straight).
It's always going to have boring bit's, that's why the producers always put together highlights from the year as a season review. Which only shows the best bits
Frik said:
Were we watching the same race? There were quite few 2 into 1 situations, not least Ralf puncturing Webber (the unlucky get) and Jenson's contact with Trulli. Some bloody good midfield action I thought.
Hopefully Oz will be a one-off, cause this race was cracking.
The first part of the race was good, Trulli versus Button was excellent, the second half was a boring procession.
I have virtually every GP held since the beginning of 1983 on video (admittedly, many are highlights) and I have to say that there does seem to be more incidents of drivers ATTEMPTING to overtake compared to now. Maybe the number of successful overtakes was no more than now, but the racing does seem to have been, on the whole, closer than today. The only reasons I can think as to why this may be so are:
i) Braver drivers
ii) Less efficient aerodynamics compared to now
iii) A points system that rewarded drivers for "having a go".
The rot set in around 1992-93 from what I can see.
i) Braver drivers
ii) Less efficient aerodynamics compared to now
iii) A points system that rewarded drivers for "having a go".
The rot set in around 1992-93 from what I can see.
Yep agree with more attempts made. I think they were attempted because there was more driver input (changing gear, clutch, brakes) at the time giving scope for mistakes to be made and of course mechanical gremlins which could effect brakes, gearbox, engine and be invisible to driver or pits (no telemetery of course).
I watched a re-run of the 1973 German GP at the Nurburgring and apart from Francois Cevert's move on Ronnie Petterson into the first corner to follow in the shadow of his team mate Jackie Stewart there were no other overtaking moves shown in the race. All of the cars (apart from the Tyrrells) were spread right out, Jacky Ickx who came 3rd was driving about with no one to be seen in front or behind. If the Ring hadn't have been canned because of Lauda's accident in 76 'm sure with today's public attitude to "racing" it would have been canned for sheer boredom. Only for the viewers though, the drivers found it a challenge, even if it was a dangerous one.
I just think today's racing isn't as bad as everyone makes compared past seasons. It's just the impression that has been given to those who haven't seen the old races in full by only showing the "good bits"
I watched a re-run of the 1973 German GP at the Nurburgring and apart from Francois Cevert's move on Ronnie Petterson into the first corner to follow in the shadow of his team mate Jackie Stewart there were no other overtaking moves shown in the race. All of the cars (apart from the Tyrrells) were spread right out, Jacky Ickx who came 3rd was driving about with no one to be seen in front or behind. If the Ring hadn't have been canned because of Lauda's accident in 76 'm sure with today's public attitude to "racing" it would have been canned for sheer boredom. Only for the viewers though, the drivers found it a challenge, even if it was a dangerous one.
I just think today's racing isn't as bad as everyone makes compared past seasons. It's just the impression that has been given to those who haven't seen the old races in full by only showing the "good bits"
McNab said:
You may as well give F1 a chance. Just watch the next few races.
You mean you want to read even more endlessly boring posts from the same old bored brigade?
Brave man.
OK, not the next few races, just the next one then?
None of the teams know any of it's characteristics and what Bahrains like.
I'm deffinetly watching it though
Gazboy said:
So no-one saw Alonso battle from 20th to 8th in 7 laps then? Like a knife through butter.
Or Webber dropping to 13th off the grid, fighting back up to eigth before trading position with Ralf Schumacher until Ralf decided punctured his rear tyre.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed the race. Can't wait for the next one!
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