Mondeo 2.2TDCi 155 ST - Opinions?
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I have been offered a mint condition Mondeo as above. The thing is it has 90k on the clock but has a FSH. He wants £5,500..
Like I say, the car is mint. Can I expect 50-60 mpg out of the motor? Are they reliable? Are they high tax?
I have the cash waiting, and will seal the deal in by close of play today once I have a few opinions from the PHers on here.
I have looked at Accords - Fly mass wheel problems, and also the Fabia VRS, but it is too small for my needs...
I think I have hopefuly found a suitable workhorse!!
Like I say, the car is mint. Can I expect 50-60 mpg out of the motor? Are they reliable? Are they high tax?
I have the cash waiting, and will seal the deal in by close of play today once I have a few opinions from the PHers on here.
I have looked at Accords - Fly mass wheel problems, and also the Fabia VRS, but it is too small for my needs...
I think I have hopefuly found a suitable workhorse!!
Edited by StinkyBoy on Thursday 29th July 15:28
Same with all diesels, be wary of any Dual Mass Flywheel problems, they can be very expensive to fix - listen for clunk noises as you come on/off the power. Also, the injectors + pump are prone to wear on these. Other than that, they seem to have an extremely good reputation. That's the limit of my knowlege of them, so I leave you in the capable hands of othe PHers...
Well worth looking at www.stdrivers.co.uk
That's where I did my research before I got mine,
Listen for pulley rattle on start up from cold. This is a common fault but relatively inexpensive to get fixed. EGR valve can go but again not expensive. Alloy wheels are prone to lacquer peel.
I averaged 40mpg with average Aroad/town driving with up to 47mpg on motorway run.
I added a Roverron chip that boosted performance quite nicely.
Being a Ford, there was some road noise (not germanic build quality) but overall, it was a great car and I do regret selling it.
HTH
JB
That's where I did my research before I got mine,
Listen for pulley rattle on start up from cold. This is a common fault but relatively inexpensive to get fixed. EGR valve can go but again not expensive. Alloy wheels are prone to lacquer peel.
I averaged 40mpg with average Aroad/town driving with up to 47mpg on motorway run.
I added a Roverron chip that boosted performance quite nicely.
Being a Ford, there was some road noise (not germanic build quality) but overall, it was a great car and I do regret selling it.
HTH
JB
I've had two ST TDCI's as comapny cars, only bad points were that the engine makes the front end feel too heavy and the car is under braked, apart from that i was really impressed, after BMW's and Audi's I thought i'd really dislike it but actually it was a very good car. The performance is pretty good, really practical car as a hatch and was just a great allrounder, not bad looking either.
50/60 mpg is ambitious...I averaged 42/43 around 50 miles a day split 30 Mway, 20 stop start traffic...
53/55 is achievable on a motorway run at 70, but just under 50 is more realistic.
I had EGR issues, not a massively expensive fix; and an extremely lumpy idle which I never resolved...pretty sound other than that!
53/55 is achievable on a motorway run at 70, but just under 50 is more realistic.
I had EGR issues, not a massively expensive fix; and an extremely lumpy idle which I never resolved...pretty sound other than that!
You'll average 43mpg ISH - no higher unless you really do spend all day every day on the motorway.
The brakes are fine unless you are nailing them to the floor every 30 seconds, but I felt they could've done with upgrading when pressing on/ on track.
Can be expensive with DMF and injector issues.
The brakes are fine unless you are nailing them to the floor every 30 seconds, but I felt they could've done with upgrading when pressing on/ on track.
Can be expensive with DMF and injector issues.
HellDiver said:
Dave_ST220 said:
The brakes ARE s
t, the feel is just awful. They work well whne pressed hard enough but just feel crap, I prefer my Mk1's!
They really aren't. Drive a Vectra C or a non-Evo Lancer, then come back to the Mondeo. Unless the brakes on yours are shagged.t, the feel is just awful. They work well whne pressed hard enough but just feel crap, I prefer my Mk1's!t feel, like I say they stop fine but the feel is st, the initial feel makes you wonder if you will stop.I was seriously looking at one to change for my TDCi 115 for my regular commute. It came down to a choice between the 155ST or an Alfa 159 1.9JTDM. I plumped for the 159 along the shallow and irrational grounds that it was more left-field, rarer, better looking and more 'charismatic' and with a more refined diesel engine. So far it's served it's purpose well and it's a very competent but characterful car. BUT in the cold light of day the Mondeo is way more practical, much, much roomier, better handling, better gearchange, cheaper to run and is still a good looking car (though bizarrely, the Alfa actually feels more refined and better built than the Mondeo). I'd certainly say the Mondeo was comfortably the most sensible choice. However, life would be boring if one always made the sensible choice.
Dave_ST220 said:
If you knew anything about these cars the you would know Ford tried to improve the pedal feel on the last facelift.
Ah, then the Mondeo I own, and the three Mk3 STs I drive at work (one diesel and two petrols) must be different to all the others then? I suspect it's a bit of PEBCAP. Problem Exists Between Chair and Pedal.
I suspect not. Drop over any ST forum-why are all owners saying they are st & changing the calipers and discs to FST ones? Fun? I guess all the ones I have driven that were the same as mine are somehow different to the ones you are driving. Either that or the cars you are comparing them too are st beyond belief.
t & changing the calipers and discs to FST ones? Fun? I guess all the ones I have driven that were the same as mine are somehow different to the ones you are driving. Either that or the cars you are comparing them too are st beyond belief.http://www.fastsaloons.com/newsstory.php?reviewFie...
They seem to echo the same.
"The weak point for me was brake feel and although the car does stop the overall experience is slightly less than reassuring. I not sure if this can be attributed to the EBA (Electronic Brake Assist) which is designed to reduce emergency stopping distances by reinforcing the driver's braking effort. Or if it is just brake feel - but I felt this did detract from the rest of the car. I found the top part of the brake had little effect and in traffic meant i had to press harder than I expected - the alternative was hitting the car in front. On the flip side emergency braking is good with the ABS kicking in effectively."
They seem to echo the same.
"The weak point for me was brake feel and although the car does stop the overall experience is slightly less than reassuring. I not sure if this can be attributed to the EBA (Electronic Brake Assist) which is designed to reduce emergency stopping distances by reinforcing the driver's braking effort. Or if it is just brake feel - but I felt this did detract from the rest of the car. I found the top part of the brake had little effect and in traffic meant i had to press harder than I expected - the alternative was hitting the car in front. On the flip side emergency braking is good with the ABS kicking in effectively."
I agree, when I first drove my ST220 after being used to the MX5's brakes and my old car with brand new disks, pads and fluid, I thought the brakes were broken. You have to squeeze the pedal quite hard to get proper stopping power. It's very un-nerving at first but you come to realise that's just how they are, very heavy car and "relatively" small brakes. The car will stop, just not with the same razor sharp bite as something else perhaps (like my MX5). I'm used to it now, not hugely fussed. Will probably go for some new fluid plus some decent pads when they wear out though.
Edited by Howard- on Friday 30th July 12:06
Edited by Howard- on Friday 30th July 12:07
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