Tories U-turn on another pre-election pledge.
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And they can't blame the Lib Dems for this one.
First it was the nonsense of not being able to deport an Al-Queda operative and now this.
Dhimmitude is alive and kicking in Britain.
First it was the nonsense of not being able to deport an Al-Queda operative and now this.
Dhimmitude is alive and kicking in Britain.
Sunday Times said:
THE home secretary, Theresa May, is facing a stiff test of the Conservative party’s claims to oppose radical Islam after her officials chose to allow a misogynist Muslim preacher into Britain.
Zakir Naik, an Indian televangelist described as a “hate-monger” by moderate Muslims and one Tory MP, says western women make themselves “more susceptible to rape” by wearing revealing clothing.
Naik, who proselytises on Peace TV, a satellite television channel, is reported to have called for the execution of Muslims who change their faith, described Americans as “pigs” and said that “every Muslim should be a terrorist”.
In a recent lecture, he said he was “with” Osama Bin Laden over the attacks on “terrorist America”, adding that the 9/11 hijackings were an inside job by President George W Bush.
In opposition, David Cameron and other senior Tories led criticism of the Labour government for allowing radical preachers into Britain to stir up hatred on lecture tours. While in opposition, Cameron also campaigned to get Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian radical, banned from Britain.
Cameron and May now face a political test over Naik, whose inflammatory comments have led some moderate Muslims to call him a “truth-twister”.
One well-placed insider said: “Zakir Naik is a nasty man who makes al-Qaradawi look like a participant at a teddy bears’ picnic. He shouldn’t be allowed into the country to stir up hatred.”
The Home Office indicated that it was not planning to ban Naik, however.
Although Naik makes it clear he does not support specific acts of terrorism, his inflammatory speeches have included one, currently on YouTube, in which he states: “Beware of Muslims saying Osama Bin Laden is right or wrong. I reject them ... we don’t know.
“But if you ask my view, if given the truth, if he is fighting the enemies of Islam, I am for him.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7140235.eceZakir Naik, an Indian televangelist described as a “hate-monger” by moderate Muslims and one Tory MP, says western women make themselves “more susceptible to rape” by wearing revealing clothing.
Naik, who proselytises on Peace TV, a satellite television channel, is reported to have called for the execution of Muslims who change their faith, described Americans as “pigs” and said that “every Muslim should be a terrorist”.
In a recent lecture, he said he was “with” Osama Bin Laden over the attacks on “terrorist America”, adding that the 9/11 hijackings were an inside job by President George W Bush.
In opposition, David Cameron and other senior Tories led criticism of the Labour government for allowing radical preachers into Britain to stir up hatred on lecture tours. While in opposition, Cameron also campaigned to get Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian radical, banned from Britain.
Cameron and May now face a political test over Naik, whose inflammatory comments have led some moderate Muslims to call him a “truth-twister”.
One well-placed insider said: “Zakir Naik is a nasty man who makes al-Qaradawi look like a participant at a teddy bears’ picnic. He shouldn’t be allowed into the country to stir up hatred.”
The Home Office indicated that it was not planning to ban Naik, however.
Although Naik makes it clear he does not support specific acts of terrorism, his inflammatory speeches have included one, currently on YouTube, in which he states: “Beware of Muslims saying Osama Bin Laden is right or wrong. I reject them ... we don’t know.
“But if you ask my view, if given the truth, if he is fighting the enemies of Islam, I am for him.
AJS- said:
Allowing free speech and supporting Islamic fundamentalism are not the same thing. Doesn't look like this guy is any sort of a threat, so better to let him say what he wants and make himself look stupid.
If he was British I'd agree with you. But given he is a foreign visitor to this country, I don't see any need to let him in just so he can exercise his 'free' speech. AJS- said:
Allowing free speech and supporting Islamic fundamentalism are not the same thing. Doesn't look like this guy is any sort of a threat, so better to let him say what he wants and make himself look stupid.
Yep, it's about consistency and freedom of speech.The only issue I would have is if he pitches up in the UK and claims Asylum. I think this is unlikely given that he has a fan base back home.
Better to let him come over and if he incites religious hatred then deal with him accordingly.
pp
With the interweb, the vulnerable are being radicalised any how.
Letting him in is a demonstration of our values of tolerance. I was never comfortable when ZNL let some folk in but not others purely because of 'who' might be offended.
Better to let him in, and if he crosses the line into inciting violence - then lock him up.
Letting him in is a demonstration of our values of tolerance. I was never comfortable when ZNL let some folk in but not others purely because of 'who' might be offended.
Better to let him in, and if he crosses the line into inciting violence - then lock him up.
5unny said:
AJS- said:
Allowing free speech and supporting Islamic fundamentalism are not the same thing. Doesn't look like this guy is any sort of a threat, so better to let him say what he wants and make himself look stupid.
If he was British I'd agree with you. But given he is a foreign visitor to this country, I don't see any need to let him in just so he can exercise his 'free' speech. If people don't want to hear what he says then don't go.
pp
5unny said:
AJS- said:
Allowing free speech and supporting Islamic fundamentalism are not the same thing. Doesn't look like this guy is any sort of a threat, so better to let him say what he wants and make himself look stupid.
If he was British I'd agree with you. But given he is a foreign visitor to this country, I don't see any need to let him in just so he can exercise his 'free' speech. Agree with the points about consistency, and I will be interested to see if that Dutch guy is allowed over now that the scum are out.
5unny said:
AJS- said:
Allowing free speech and supporting Islamic fundamentalism are not the same thing. Doesn't look like this guy is any sort of a threat, so better to let him say what he wants and make himself look stupid.
If he was British I'd agree with you. But given he is a foreign visitor to this country, I don't see any need to let him in just so he can exercise his 'free' speech. Nice one Ms May.
[i]An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour," the home secretary says.
Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.
Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".
The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.
But she cannot ban people simply because of their views.
Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
"Coming to the UK is a privilege, not a right and I am not willing to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.
"Exclusion powers are very serious and no decision is taken lightly or as a method of stopping open debate on issues."
This is the first person who has been excluded from the UK since Ms May became home secretary last month. [/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10349564.stm
[i]An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour," the home secretary says.
Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.
Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".
The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.
But she cannot ban people simply because of their views.
Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
"Coming to the UK is a privilege, not a right and I am not willing to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.
"Exclusion powers are very serious and no decision is taken lightly or as a method of stopping open debate on issues."
This is the first person who has been excluded from the UK since Ms May became home secretary last month. [/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10349564.stm
5unny said:
Nice one Ms May.
[i]An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour," the home secretary says.
Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.
Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".
The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.
But she cannot ban people simply because of their views.
Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
"Coming to the UK is a privilege, not a right and I am not willing to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.
"Exclusion powers are very serious and no decision is taken lightly or as a method of stopping open debate on issues."
This is the first person who has been excluded from the UK since Ms May became home secretary last month. [/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10349564.stm
Or to give it a different spin:[i]An Indian preacher has been banned from entering the UK for his "unacceptable behaviour," the home secretary says.
Zakir Naik, a 44-year-old television preacher, had been due to give a series of lectures in London and Sheffield.
Theresa May said that visiting the UK was "a privilege, not a right".
The home secretary can stop people entering the UK if she believes there is a threat to national security, public order or the safety of citizens.
But she cannot ban people simply because of their views.
Ms May said: "Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.
"Coming to the UK is a privilege, not a right and I am not willing to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.
"Exclusion powers are very serious and no decision is taken lightly or as a method of stopping open debate on issues."
This is the first person who has been excluded from the UK since Ms May became home secretary last month. [/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10349564.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287620/Th...
Someone who promotes all muslims to be terrorists.... not sure if would like him in this country either.
Be VERY careful pointing fingers and blame in these situations. I doubt the outcome would have been different if it was Labour, Conservatives or LibDem's in power - they will be lead by the security services, senior members of staff from the Home Office etc. She just happens to be the person in charge. Clearly there is sufficient information for this person to be a concern. Who knows what the real situation is, as its rarely as clear cut as you say.
Oh, and BBC? Unbiased? No, surely they are fair and reasonable and dont have an axe to grind against the current government? Get your cynic hat on and start reading between the lines.
Allow me to get this straight:
- We are letting in someone who preaches hate, supports terrorist acts and thinks western women are enticing rape. His purpose here being to continue to serve up his bile
- We banned Chris Brown from entering the country because he'd slapped his girlfriend around in an arguement. His purpose here being to entertain thousands of people in a completely benign manner
Seems very rational...
- We are letting in someone who preaches hate, supports terrorist acts and thinks western women are enticing rape. His purpose here being to continue to serve up his bile
- We banned Chris Brown from entering the country because he'd slapped his girlfriend around in an arguement. His purpose here being to entertain thousands of people in a completely benign manner
Seems very rational...
Jasandjules said:
Freedom of speech being upheld in this way should be applauded.
Exactly. Running roughshod over the law and pandering to newspaper headlines should be a governmental thing of the past.Who is the more stupid; the government who ignores the press and gets on with running the country, or the voter who relies on an opinion based upon press spin?
emicen said:
Allow me to get this straight:
- We are letting in someone who preaches hate, supports terrorist acts and thinks western women are enticing rape. His purpose here being to continue to serve up his bile
- We banned Chris Brown from entering the country because he'd slapped his girlfriend around in an arguement. His purpose here being to entertain thousands of people in a completely benign manner
Seems very rational...
Err the hate preacher got banned and Chris Brown has a conviction for spousal abuse, which is relatively serious. Since the US will most probably ban any UK citizen that has any form of criminal conviction, there is more to this than meets the eye. In the world of diplomatics, its a bit of tit-for-tat.....- We are letting in someone who preaches hate, supports terrorist acts and thinks western women are enticing rape. His purpose here being to continue to serve up his bile
- We banned Chris Brown from entering the country because he'd slapped his girlfriend around in an arguement. His purpose here being to entertain thousands of people in a completely benign manner
Seems very rational...
5unny said:
Tories U-turn on another pre-election pledge.
It appears you jumped the gun, old boy....
http://tribune.com.pk/story/22773/dr-zakir-naik-to...
Edited by mybrainhurts on Monday 21st June 19:18
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