The Coalition Agreement. Worth a read.
The Coalition Agreement. Worth a read.
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Morningside

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24,147 posts

259 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Sky News (with link).
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Full-Coa...

HIPs are going bounce

Edited by Morningside on Thursday 20th May 11:48

Tsippy

15,078 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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How long until HIPs go ? biggrin

We're selling a flat soon so hope it's in the near future!

Jasandjules

72,616 posts

259 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Don't have time to read it all but all I needed to see was "no more big Govt" - happy days. No more thousands of snooping morons poking their noses into our daily lives.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Tsippy said:
How long until HIPs go ? biggrin

We're selling a flat soon so hope it's in the near future!
Already gone as of today. Link in the Homes forum. EPC remains.

sonic_2k_uk

4,008 posts

237 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Tsippy said:
How long until HIPs go ? biggrin

We're selling a flat soon so hope it's in the near future!
Tomorrow.

"The requirement for packs will be suspended for anyone selling their home from 21 May, with the government needing legislation to outlaw them completely. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10130254.stm

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.


OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

207 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.

sonic_2k_uk

4,008 posts

237 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.
Where does that mention targets?

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.
Doesn't bother me. It won't impact on me. Clearly you miss the point.

People have been moaning about target driven policing and the impact it has had on people.

This will further encourage it and you will have someone who relies on these figures to get elected.

People moaned about Labour misusing figures. Wait til you have a person who's whole economic future depends on it.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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sonic_2k_uk said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.
Where does that mention targets?
The fact you publish how much crime and how much is detected is itself a target,

All this stuff is already available if you go to the forces web sites.

At the moment with a limited incentive to fiddle or meddle with figures.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.
Policing is not a business.

If you wish to treat it as such then that is when things start to go wrong for victims.

joe_90

4,206 posts

261 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
We will oblige the police to publish detailed local crime data statistics every month, so the public can get proper information about crime in their neighbourhoods and hold the police to account for their performance.


So they're going to demand that we still have detection rates and crime recording, the very things that have been blamed for the removal of discretion.

No change from Labour, in fact it means they will be even harder on forces, so expect more drive for detections than there is.

Add in that elected individual whose whole future relies on meeting targets. Someone with great incentive to fiddle and distort figures.

Everything people complain about in terms of how the police go about their business has just been made worse.
Yes, how terrible to have to show how you've performed.

Welcome to life how it is for the rest of us in the private sector.
Policing is not a business.

If you wish to treat it as such then that is when things start to go wrong for victims.
the public?? smile


AJS-

15,366 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Sky News said:
In a joint foreword, the Prime Minister and his deputy described it as an "historic document"
Don't meant to stray too far off topic but, is it "an" rather than "a" historic document. I know you say "an hour" but generally h is counted as a consonant, no?

s3fella

10,524 posts

217 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Policing is not a business.

If you wish to treat it as such then that is when things start to go wrong for victims.
I think out in the general population the fact someone is a "victim" means it already has gone wrong....

briSk

14,291 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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i like how the human rights act will be subject to a review.

hmm where's my Yes Minister box set...

AndyAudi

4,004 posts

252 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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AJS- said:
Sky News said:
In a joint foreword, the Prime Minister and his deputy described it as an "historic document"
Don't meant to stray too far off topic but, is it "an" rather than "a" historic document. I know you say "an hour" but generally h is counted as a consonant, no?
seems to have been popular since Mr Blair won "an historic third term",

AJS-

15,366 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Policing is not a business.

If you wish to treat it as such then that is when things start to go wrong for victims.
I think it's the governments of the last 20 or so years you need to be telling that.

Dunk76

4,350 posts

244 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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AndyAudi said:
AJS- said:
Sky News said:
In a joint foreword, the Prime Minister and his deputy described it as an "historic document"
Don't meant to stray too far off topic but, is it "an" rather than "a" historic document. I know you say "an hour" but generally h is counted as a consonant, no?
seems to have been popular since Mr Blair won "an historic third term",
Glad to see it's not just me this aggravates. smile

allnighter

6,663 posts

252 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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AJS- said:
Sky News said:
In a joint foreword, the Prime Minister and his deputy described it as an "historic document"
Don't meant to stray too far off topic but, is it "an" rather than "a" historic document. I know you say "an hour" but generally h is counted as a consonant, no?
It all depends whether the "H" is silent or not.The vowel after the H takes precedence in "historic" and "hour" therefore it's more dominant to the point the H disappears.Whereas in the word "History" we notice the H is not so silent therefore we use an "A" in front of it.
Anyway, blame the Romans for this because they were prone to drop the H from certain words.When these words passed to French and English the H has disappeared from both the written and the spoken form of earlier words for horrible, habit, and harmony (orryble, abit, and armonye in old English), therefore it's perfectly normal to use an "AN" instead of an "A" in "an orryble day".
Of course the above explanation only applies to words derived from Latin.There is also Eastenders too...

AJS-

15,366 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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But I would quite clearly say the H in historic and horrible, just like in hot, house, hand etc.

I suppose it depends on your accent. Yorkshiremen and Cockneys tend to drop Hs.