swapping Elise S1 for S1 111S
Discussion
Hey all,
I'm thinking of trading in my Elise S1 for an S1 111S (as it kinda says in the title...). I'm very, very happy with Elise, and love the shape and pureness of the S1, but would like a little more power, something more special too, but it has to stay within my budget. Would an 111S make much difference? Is it worth the extra cash?
Bram
I'm thinking of trading in my Elise S1 for an S1 111S (as it kinda says in the title...). I'm very, very happy with Elise, and love the shape and pureness of the S1, but would like a little more power, something more special too, but it has to stay within my budget. Would an 111S make much difference? Is it worth the extra cash?
Bram
Futse said:
Hey all,
I'm thinking of trading in my Elise S1 for an S1 111S (as it kinda says in the title...). I'm very, very happy with Elise, and love the shape and pureness of the S1, but would like a little more power, something more special too, but it has to stay within my budget. Would an 111S make much difference? Is it worth the extra cash?
Bram
depends on how much your talking....I'm thinking of trading in my Elise S1 for an S1 111S (as it kinda says in the title...). I'm very, very happy with Elise, and love the shape and pureness of the S1, but would like a little more power, something more special too, but it has to stay within my budget. Would an 111S make much difference? Is it worth the extra cash?
Bram
111S was probably the best of all the S1's (IMHO), made decent power, best of the K series engines - no lumpy erratic idle (160's that never made 160).
all that said, I would not be paying much to change into one (unless there are other reasons).
doubt it, it's not like they are rare or anything, and realistically, it;s the same car with a VVC and different wheels, yes they are worth more than the same spec non-vvc, but we are not talking big differences here, it's more down to condition.
unless you have some reason to get out of your current car, financially it makes no sense to change, if all you want is a few more ponies, then get a 135 head bolted onto it or the like.
unless you have some reason to get out of your current car, financially it makes no sense to change, if all you want is a few more ponies, then get a 135 head bolted onto it or the like.
Futse said:
Do you guys recon a 111S will be a more collectable car in the future? Not that I would buy one as an investment, but still nice to know.
My Elise now has Nitron suspension, Larini exhaust, Hurricane kit. But I would make the same changes to the 111S. Guess I just fancy a change
I think they will and often read that they will. They are generally regarded as the best of the S1s, have driven both and could notice the difference. Mine also has Lotus Sports Suspension too, which is a slight upgrade. Perhaps not more collectable, but more likely to hold a premium in prices, especially if Elises continue to leave the country in big numbers to Europe never to be seen again on these shores.My Elise now has Nitron suspension, Larini exhaust, Hurricane kit. But I would make the same changes to the 111S. Guess I just fancy a change
Scuffers said:
doubt it, it's not like they are rare or anything, and realistically, it;s the same car with a VVC and different wheels, yes they are worth more than the same spec non-vvc, but we are not talking big differences here, it's more down to condition.
unless you have some reason to get out of your current car, financially it makes no sense to change, if all you want is a few more ponies, then get a 135 head bolted onto it or the like.
Also has the close ratio gearbox which makes a big difference.unless you have some reason to get out of your current car, financially it makes no sense to change, if all you want is a few more ponies, then get a 135 head bolted onto it or the like.
When testing both the vanilla S1 and 111S I found the ease with which the VVC headed for 7K rpm more pleasant than the drop off just past peak power in the standard car as well.
AlexS said:
Also has the close ratio gearbox which makes a big difference.
When testing both the vanilla S1 and 111S I found the ease with which the VVC headed for 7K rpm more pleasant than the drop off just past peak power in the standard car as well.
good point, forgot that!When testing both the vanilla S1 and 111S I found the ease with which the VVC headed for 7K rpm more pleasant than the drop off just past peak power in the standard car as well.
although if you spend any time on M-ways or the like it can be a PITA
zebedee said:
not a PITA when you leave the 50mph limits and want to get back up to speed. The 111s has impressed mates who thought Elises ran out of puff around 60, the 111s is perfectly zesty up to 100-110 and even in 5th at motorway speeds it picks up well
I was surprised by the performance difference between the standard car and the 111S. The extra power, 1500rpm greater usable rev range and the lower gearing all come together to make a surprisingly big difference. I bought a 111S 
Scuffers said:
AlexS said:
Also has the close ratio gearbox which makes a big difference.
When testing both the vanilla S1 and 111S I found the ease with which the VVC headed for 7K rpm more pleasant than the drop off just past peak power in the standard car as well.
good point, forgot that!When testing both the vanilla S1 and 111S I found the ease with which the VVC headed for 7K rpm more pleasant than the drop off just past peak power in the standard car as well.
although if you spend any time on M-ways or the like it can be a PITA
Futse said:
Do you guys recon a 111S will be a more collectable car in the future? Not that I would buy one as an investment, but still nice to know.
My Elise now has Nitron suspension, Larini exhaust, Hurricane kit. But I would make the same changes to the 111S. Guess I just fancy a change
Yes, in the Classic car market, rarity add's value and they made far less S1 111s than Basic S1, the car is also regarded as one of the best versions of the S1 and whats true when new will be true when old, the most desirable Elans are the late sprints with 126hp, the most desirable S1 i expect will the be the 111sMy Elise now has Nitron suspension, Larini exhaust, Hurricane kit. But I would make the same changes to the 111S. Guess I just fancy a change
It wont be worth mega bucks more, but i expect it will hold value/appreciate marginally better then a standard car
The S1 111S is a lot better than the standard car. I have both a S1 120bhp and the S1 111S.
Better seats, great gearbox, love the slightly wider body. The engine reving up to 7000 rpm (7200 rpm peak)real makes you drive that bit more on any corner!
A good one will always sell far quicker than the standard. In my opinon, if a car sells with 2/3 days, it is just too cheap!
When I come to sell an Elise, it will be my 111S before the 111 because I know if I need the money, I will get it no problem. Couldn't sell both because, without an Elise not sure how I would cope!
On another note, any S1 Elise is worth having and you live with what you've got and it is enough as it is. Could spend a couple of hundred on trackdays or a bit of training.
If I had a good Elise, I would keep it! better the devil you know!
Better seats, great gearbox, love the slightly wider body. The engine reving up to 7000 rpm (7200 rpm peak)real makes you drive that bit more on any corner!
A good one will always sell far quicker than the standard. In my opinon, if a car sells with 2/3 days, it is just too cheap!
When I come to sell an Elise, it will be my 111S before the 111 because I know if I need the money, I will get it no problem. Couldn't sell both because, without an Elise not sure how I would cope!
On another note, any S1 Elise is worth having and you live with what you've got and it is enough as it is. Could spend a couple of hundred on trackdays or a bit of training.
If I had a good Elise, I would keep it! better the devil you know!
I think you are wrong!!! The 111S is 1cm larger on each corner.
I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
I can post the spec sheets to show you if you like. Come on, keep up at the back and stop talking!
111S had wider wheels and 225 tyres, body is the same (except some had 'wheel spats' on the lip of the rear arches)
I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
I can post the spec sheets to show you if you like. Come on, keep up at the back and stop talking!
Scuffers said:
Francelise said:
The S1 111S is a lot better than the standard car. I have both a S1 120bhp and the S1 111S.
love the slightly wider body.
err??love the slightly wider body.
111S had wider wheels and 225 tyres, body is the same (except some had 'wheel spats' on the lip of the rear arches)
Francelise said:
I think you are wrong!!! The 111S is 1cm larger on each corner.
I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
Don't think so, look in the parts manual, no listing for a 111s rear clam, they are all the same (after the early boot-bag ones)I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
Ok, I give in. I think I am wrong. I read on the COC it was 1701mm and 1703mm f6r the 111 and the 111S respectively. I just read this as 1cm wider on the rears.
However, I put AWI's on the 111S once and it looked really bad, I mean the arches looked empty- this is not just the spat surely!?
However, I put AWI's on the 111S once and it looked really bad, I mean the arches looked empty- this is not just the spat surely!?
Scuffers said:
Francelise said:
I think you are wrong!!! The 111S is 1cm larger on each corner.
I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
Don't think so, look in the parts manual, no listing for a 111s rear clam, they are all the same (after the early boot-bag ones)I will give you 1 point for the wheels but is that really important. Can change the wheels for Rota's for £450.
Edited by Francelise on Friday 21st May 13:31
Francelise said:
Ok, I give in. I think I am wrong. I read on the COC it was 1701mm and 1703mm f6r the 111 and the 111S respectively. I just read this as 1cm wider on the rears.
However, I put AWI's on the 111S once and it looked really bad, I mean the arches looked empty- this is not just the spat surely!?
it's called different (wheel) offsets....However, I put AWI's on the 111S once and it looked really bad, I mean the arches looked empty- this is not just the spat surely!?
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