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Perhaps we should all start carrying cameras with us and when we see this sort of thing, take a pic (preferably one with the date and time on it), and send it to the local paper............ and a copy to his boss.
See if that gets their attention (have to be anonymous tho, else you'll be getting a lot of their attention!!)
See if that gets their attention (have to be anonymous tho, else you'll be getting a lot of their attention!!)
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I'd rather the police turned a blind eye to the use of mobiles than what is happening at present with the bill ignoring the, surely more dangerous, motorists use of drugs!
I dunno.. I think the use of a mobile is damned dangerous, mainly because to me half the people that do it aren't even competent drivers, then they take what little attention they were giving to the road and turn it into a phone conversation.. What call can be important enough to die for ?
Drug driving is also Very important though, but I think realistically it will be difficult and expensive to target these drivers. Perhaps if they crash then do them for a new law and jail them for a minimum of Five years
Yesterday I was returning up the A38 from Plymouth, when I was past by a fiesta with 2 youths in it. From my drivers seat I have a very good vantage point(Lorry Driver)and the guy in the passenger seat was "Building a Spliff", he seemed to have no regard for who could see him and I'm sure that it wasn't "one for Later".
As the drugs laws are being relaxed (read ignored), this problem will become, maybe it already has, worse than Drinking and driving.This is due to the fact that after years, drinking and driving has become socially unacceptable, where as drugs seem to be "Cool" as being a criminal has also gained some kudos I site Ali G as an example. These people are putting lives at risk more than the guy on the phone, a phone call lasts on axverage I would suggest around 5 mins, where as being stoned is going to be, if not all, at least the majority of your jouney. The police seem to want to be powerless against all but the easy option.
As the drugs laws are being relaxed (read ignored), this problem will become, maybe it already has, worse than Drinking and driving.This is due to the fact that after years, drinking and driving has become socially unacceptable, where as drugs seem to be "Cool" as being a criminal has also gained some kudos I site Ali G as an example. These people are putting lives at risk more than the guy on the phone, a phone call lasts on axverage I would suggest around 5 mins, where as being stoned is going to be, if not all, at least the majority of your jouney. The police seem to want to be powerless against all but the easy option.
yes, but alchohol has been shown to make people more reckless (removes some inhibitory effects of frontal lobe activity) whereas cannabis has the opposite effect, making users to appear more cautious.
reaction times of course, are way up in both cases, but the reduction in average speed/risk taking by cannabis users may offset the increased thinking time.
and plus, you won't be getting much road rage from a stoner....
reaction times of course, are way up in both cases, but the reduction in average speed/risk taking by cannabis users may offset the increased thinking time.
and plus, you won't be getting much road rage from a stoner....
Element - I assume you arent serious!!?!?
The stoned driver might not be as bad as a pi55ed driver BUT they would all be better if they were totally drug or alcohol free.
Also - it all depends how many and how strong the spliffs are. 'Apparently' you can get off your face on this cannabis stuff.
The stoned driver might not be as bad as a pi55ed driver BUT they would all be better if they were totally drug or alcohol free.
Also - it all depends how many and how strong the spliffs are. 'Apparently' you can get off your face on this cannabis stuff.
Yea, you can get "off your face" on it, but its like drink, you have to smoke A LOT to get like that (unless your blatantly not used to it). It doesnt automatically follow that you'll be off your head off one joint though.
I have sampled some of the strongest in the world, so I know what I'm on about. I grant you that you just shouldnt do it and drive, however, a stoned driver IMO is far less dangerous than one on a mobile phone. I have nearly been KILLED several times by mobile users. I have been in cars driven by stoned people and they actually were more careful than when sober.
>> Edited by pbirkett on Monday 8th April 11:39
I have sampled some of the strongest in the world, so I know what I'm on about. I grant you that you just shouldnt do it and drive, however, a stoned driver IMO is far less dangerous than one on a mobile phone. I have nearly been KILLED several times by mobile users. I have been in cars driven by stoned people and they actually were more careful than when sober.
>> Edited by pbirkett on Monday 8th April 11:39
How do the Dutch deal with drug driving?
Its very difficult to roadside test so surely the onus should be on the people at the moment (as there is no alternative) who crash their cars. That being, if you are found to be off your face on recreational pharmacueticals and stuff your car then you should expect a heavy fine, long ban, social outcast status etc etc.
Matt.
Its very difficult to roadside test so surely the onus should be on the people at the moment (as there is no alternative) who crash their cars. That being, if you are found to be off your face on recreational pharmacueticals and stuff your car then you should expect a heavy fine, long ban, social outcast status etc etc.
Matt.
quote:What element says is true - I guess the problem with this debate is going to be people speaking from a position of (at least partial) ignorance..
Element - I assume you arent serious!!?!?
The stoned driver might not be as bad as a pi55ed driver BUT they would all be better if they were totally drug or alcohol free.
Also - it all depends how many and how strong the spliffs are. 'Apparently' you can get off your face on this cannabis stuff.
Pot & booze are completely different things - they affect you in wholly different ways.. for that matter, cocaine, herion, amphetamines, LDS etc all affect you quite differently from one another depending on the individual drug, strength thereof, constitution of user etc etc....
Okay - smoking pot and driving is wrong, but I know a number of perfectly respectable, professional people in their fifties who smoke dope and doubtless drive under the influence, all with a compelete absence of accidents in my lifetime..
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How do the Dutch deal with drug driving?
In Holland it's not allowed to drive when you are influenced by drugs. Not every drug has a "good" influence on the driving skills and the police doesn't have a quick test to make a difference between the drugs.
It's also forbidden to use on the street and public places. You accually can be punnished for that.
Holland isn't that easy as you might think
Cathelijne,
Yes, I realise the laws etc in Amsterdam (one of my fave cities in the world!) but I was wondering how the police deal with people who break the law when it comes to driving stoned.
On the statistics there are more drivers under the infulence of cannabis in the UK, as there are more drug takers in general than Holland. I was wondering if there are any roadside tests etc?
But then saying that if you were to compare the quality between the UK and Holland its probably more like you are physically incapable in Holland!!
Matt.
Yes, I realise the laws etc in Amsterdam (one of my fave cities in the world!) but I was wondering how the police deal with people who break the law when it comes to driving stoned.
On the statistics there are more drivers under the infulence of cannabis in the UK, as there are more drug takers in general than Holland. I was wondering if there are any roadside tests etc?
But then saying that if you were to compare the quality between the UK and Holland its probably more like you are physically incapable in Holland!!
Matt.
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I was wondering if there are any roadside tests etc?
There are no roadsite tests, but I think they are working on it.
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But then saying that if you were to compare the quality between the UK and Holland its probably more like you are physically incapable in Holland!!
To compare you need to know about both countries. At the moment I know just one and not even the drugs!
>> Edited by Cathelijne on Monday 8th April 15:01
drug quality in the dam is good in parts (the parson's egg) like anywhere I suppose.
but at least there you are allowed to be informed about it - and as a consequence make an adult decision about it's use.
i think it would be hard to test for as cannabis stays in the system for much longer than alcohol (the body isn't treating it like a poison) and very few studies have been done on the scientific effects of it (with regards anything, let alone driving).
In fact in the UK, it's illegal to even research with cannabis (or was certainly). hence the lagging behind of the medical research into beneficial effects of it and/or the detrimental psycho-physiological effects of cannaboids on perception/motor-skills(eg walking/moving) or cognition.
I try to avoid driving whilst high though - it makes me too nervous, and I've never tried to ride the motorcycle whilst under the influence - (i don't wanna be no damn guinea pig!)
but at least there you are allowed to be informed about it - and as a consequence make an adult decision about it's use.
i think it would be hard to test for as cannabis stays in the system for much longer than alcohol (the body isn't treating it like a poison) and very few studies have been done on the scientific effects of it (with regards anything, let alone driving).
In fact in the UK, it's illegal to even research with cannabis (or was certainly). hence the lagging behind of the medical research into beneficial effects of it and/or the detrimental psycho-physiological effects of cannaboids on perception/motor-skills(eg walking/moving) or cognition.
I try to avoid driving whilst high though - it makes me too nervous, and I've never tried to ride the motorcycle whilst under the influence - (i don't wanna be no damn guinea pig!)
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