111R Tyre question
Discussion
I've had my 111R for a couple of years now and have been fortunate enough to only have to change the rear tyres only twice (yes, yes, I'm obviously not trying hard enough).
The car had the factory fit Yokohama Advan Neova LTS all round when I collected it and at the first change I fitted a pair of Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3 (the directional ones with the arrowhead pattern). These seemed to be OK (and even kept going in the recent snow & ice) but the car felt a bit light & floaty at the rear end. I've just had to replace the rears again, but this time went for the slightly more expensive asymetric Eagle F1. They've been fitted for about a week now, but the floaty sensation is worse than I remember it and at moderately high speeds (70/80mph) feels borderline scary! Question: could I be running the wrong pressures (26/27psi), or is it likely that the sidewalls of the F1 tyre are significantly less rigid than the Yokohamas (and the GSD3's) and I need to change them ASAP?
If it makes a difference, I'm still running with Neovas at the front as I can't seem to find another tyre in the right size.
Look forward to some experienced insight and advice.
Cheers.
The car had the factory fit Yokohama Advan Neova LTS all round when I collected it and at the first change I fitted a pair of Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3 (the directional ones with the arrowhead pattern). These seemed to be OK (and even kept going in the recent snow & ice) but the car felt a bit light & floaty at the rear end. I've just had to replace the rears again, but this time went for the slightly more expensive asymetric Eagle F1. They've been fitted for about a week now, but the floaty sensation is worse than I remember it and at moderately high speeds (70/80mph) feels borderline scary! Question: could I be running the wrong pressures (26/27psi), or is it likely that the sidewalls of the F1 tyre are significantly less rigid than the Yokohamas (and the GSD3's) and I need to change them ASAP?
If it makes a difference, I'm still running with Neovas at the front as I can't seem to find another tyre in the right size.
Look forward to some experienced insight and advice.
Cheers.
Umm Interesting. Tyres make a difference - as you may know Lotus only recommend the Yoko's AD07's that were on the car before and on the front & Bridgestones - on the 04/05 cars - For the 111R.
But I cannot imagine its all down to this for you, when did you last have a Geo done?
Might be worth getting that checked too - or if something is loose on your rear end (Your car that is)
I run AD07's with the Seloc pressure and have no probs http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Tyres
Cheers
But I cannot imagine its all down to this for you, when did you last have a Geo done?
Might be worth getting that checked too - or if something is loose on your rear end (Your car that is)
I run AD07's with the Seloc pressure and have no probs http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Tyres
Cheers
Edited by Stu_00 on Tuesday 6th April 16:40
LivinLaVidaLotus said:
Are the fronts still the AD07? Not good to run different mix of tyres on the Elise, that certainly won't help the handling feel. Personally I'd just put AD07s on the back and have done. No point trying to save a few quid on tyres IMHO when they are so essential to the handling.
Yes a very good point - matching up all 4 is pretty much key and AD07's are soft compound Vs the Goodyear that are probably slightly different.......Thanks for the advice.
I appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
I appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
Edited by Hazmat on Wednesday 7th April 11:03
Hazmat said:
Thanks for the advice.
I appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
More to do with the Sidewalls of the tyres. Not really seen anyone use Goodyear on the Elise at allI appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
Edited by Hazmat on Wednesday 7th April 11:03
Hazmat said:
Thanks for the advice.
I appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
£200 difference?! Christ my last set of rear AD07s were only £250 fitted,you're obviously being ripped off somewhere!I appreciate that it's not ideal to run a mix on the car, but sometimes a £200 saving is not to be sniffed at!
Will try dropping the pressures to see if that makes a difference, but would have thought that softer tyres would be more prone to squirming around than harder ones?
Failing that I guess I'm going to have to thrash the new ones quickly and get some Yoko's.
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
Edited by Hazmat on Wednesday 7th April 11:03
Just put AD07s back on sharpish and flog the Goodyears on fleabay
As for pads,well theres a few to chose from-Mintex,Pagid,Carbon Lorraine etc etc-all seem well regarded,just avoid Green/Yellowstuffs(in my experience anyway).
Hazmat said:
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
No - not at all. In fact I've found the standard pads perfectly OK on track days too so I wonder why people go to all the expense of changing for some of the specials. Maybe its the same reason they change exhausts. Edited by Hazmat on Wednesday 7th April 11:03
bordseye said:
Hazmat said:
On a slightly different topic...! Do you find that Lotus pads are rubbish when wet? What would be the best alternative (not track pads and preferably something that doesn't eat discs)?
No - not at all. In fact I've found the standard pads perfectly OK on track days too so I wonder why people go to all the expense of changing for some of the specials. Maybe its the same reason they change exhausts. Edited by Hazmat on Wednesday 7th April 11:03
- Improved feel, pagid's seem to offer bit more bite/at the sametime do not stick/great feel.
- A real improvement in braking power on road (and track) especially things like alpine roads that really show up brake fade. Zero fade on Pagids compared to fade you can get on the normal fade on some long alpine roads!
- Cold bite is still excellent on Pagid's alough warming the tyres/brakes is still a better thing!
Wouldnt discount EBC Yellow stuff either. A number of us have them on Elises after the Owner of EBC came on hear to dispute a few generic comments made by people on here.
A few of us got free full set of yellow stuff pads and were suitable impressed by them and a few others have bought them on the basis of that feedback.(Full set is under £100 I beleive)
A few of us got free full set of yellow stuff pads and were suitable impressed by them and a few others have bought them on the basis of that feedback.(Full set is under £100 I beleive)
Most pads are crap when wet - the joys of having really open wheels, you need to scrub off the water before they'll bite properly. As for EBC Yellows - had mine fitted about a month ago, very happy - as good as the OEMs (warmed up) when cold, a lot better when warmed up IMHO and I don't seem to have got as much dust off of them yet compared to OEM.
Gassing Station | Elise/Exige/Europa/340R | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff