RE: Honda NSX Reduced
Tuesday 2nd April 2002
Honda NSX Reduced
UK prices reduced as final incarnation of the NSX is introduced
Discussion
damn! i was just thinking about how overpriced the NSX was - like $90,000 in the U.S. - and how it made no sense when a Porsche 911 is $70,000.
If you're ever tempted to buy an NSX, do a little research of the owners groups and you'll find the company you'll be keeping. They all seem to have made their money on the stock market during the dot con era and are all programmers, tech dweebs etc.... . Enough to turn me off. Oh, and the car is tricky to drive on the limit according to Tiff.
If you're ever tempted to buy an NSX, do a little research of the owners groups and you'll find the company you'll be keeping. They all seem to have made their money on the stock market during the dot con era and are all programmers, tech dweebs etc.... . Enough to turn me off. Oh, and the car is tricky to drive on the limit according to Tiff.
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If you're ever tempted to buy an NSX, do a little research of the owners groups and you'll find the company you'll be keeping. They all seem to have made their money on the stock market during the dot con era and are all programmers, tech dweebs etc.... .
Why should that affect your opinion of the car?
i drove one 2/3 years ago and thought it was a funny car, supercar looks, cheapy plastic interior, a small v6 engine and distinct lack of grunt for the money.
perhaps a case of all show, not much go. handling was good but not good enough to shake the 328i coupe that was just as fast in a straight line for under half the money
give it a 350-400hp engine and make it 50k and it would sell...
Bennno
I drove one last year (3.0 engine not the 3.2) and found it to be a fun car. More than anything the howl that you get from the vtec at 8000rpm is bloody fantastic. Handling was great, servicing costs are very low and reliability is legendary.
Got the impression that this is the supercar you buy if reliability is more important to you than outright performance or looks. Not many supercar buyers out there who think like that though, judging by the sales figures.
Got the impression that this is the supercar you buy if reliability is more important to you than outright performance or looks. Not many supercar buyers out there who think like that though, judging by the sales figures.
"Why should that affect your opinion of the car? "
it's an emotive response, the same way the look of a car evokes an emotive response and makes you want it or not. For example, a Supra Turbo may have been a nice car, but everyone who owns one is always on internet message boards boasting how they "spanked" this Porsche and that Ferrari, so you can't help but associate this car with some 19 y.o Fast and Furious wannabe, and since automotive desire is all about emotive response you lose desire for the car.
similarly for the NSX, except its expense gives you a richer class of miscreant.
Porsche used to be problematic in this regard, but the new 996 impresses with water cooling and the more mature shape (no coincidence both turned off a lot of w*nkers). Ferrari should be in great danger, but they are so expensive it is moot.
Lotus are pretty cool, you pretty much get people who love to drive without a lot of the other b.s.
I had been considering an S2, but lately the new BMW M3 has caught my eye, so I'm not going to look too closely at BMW owners!
it's an emotive response, the same way the look of a car evokes an emotive response and makes you want it or not. For example, a Supra Turbo may have been a nice car, but everyone who owns one is always on internet message boards boasting how they "spanked" this Porsche and that Ferrari, so you can't help but associate this car with some 19 y.o Fast and Furious wannabe, and since automotive desire is all about emotive response you lose desire for the car.
similarly for the NSX, except its expense gives you a richer class of miscreant.
Porsche used to be problematic in this regard, but the new 996 impresses with water cooling and the more mature shape (no coincidence both turned off a lot of w*nkers). Ferrari should be in great danger, but they are so expensive it is moot.
Lotus are pretty cool, you pretty much get people who love to drive without a lot of the other b.s.
I had been considering an S2, but lately the new BMW M3 has caught my eye, so I'm not going to look too closely at BMW owners!
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Oh, and the car is tricky to drive on the limit according to Tiff.
Senna didn't think so. Who was the better judge Ayrton or Tiff?
Depends on whether Senna was comparing it to his F1 car, which I would imagine was horredously tricky on the limit and whether Tiff was comparing it to a regular hatchback
Senna didn't think so. Who was the better judge Ayrton or Tiff?
For most people, it would be fair to say that Tiff is a better judge. Senna was too good a racing driver to pass relevant comment on a road car's handling.
For example, would you trust Tyson if he said Holyfield couldn't punch very hard?
John
quote:Further, consider that in all likely hood, Senna would have had as much involvement in the development of the NSX as Michael Owen does in the football boots that bear his name. Cursory approval in other words.
For most people, it would be fair to say that Tiff is a better judge. Senna was too good a racing driver to pass relevant comment on a road car's handling.
In any case, Senna was in the employ of the manufacturer, so objectivity is low and contractual obligation to endorse is high.
Oh, and Tara Palmer wosserface had an NSX..
For most people, it would be fair to say that Tiff is a better judge. Senna was too good a racing driver to pass relevant comment on a road car's handling.
For example, would you trust Tyson if he said Holyfield couldn't punch very hard?
John
Tiff was pretty good as a wheelsmith as well!
If we follow this argument to its logical extreme the best judge would be Maureen from Driving Test.
If you can get a look at some of the promotional material produced from Senna's NSX driving he did seem to have a pretty good idea of what the man in the Clapham rickshaw needed to know.
On a personal level I found the early (knackered) NSX had a gradual transition to benign understeer on the limit however my limit is probably (almost certainly)lower than Tiff's, one reason being that Unlike Tiff I would have to pay for any damage resulting from enthusiasm exceeding ability.
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You have to wonder why anyone would pay more for an NSX than a 911...
Some may wonder the exact opposite?
How on earth could honda justify the extra, until now the 911 has been cheaper, more powerful, faster, more practical, lower cost to run, more individual (NSX 4 colours only!!) less depreciative and with a unique flat six engine & racing heritage.
Ahhheyyy, Senna BTW had a big honda badge on his overalls at the time- do you really expect him to sit there and say it was shyte??
Bennno
But everybody has a 911, sometimes there are so many in the car park it takes hours to find your own one (allegedly).
I wouldn't dream of knocking the 911, it is a great car and a perfect example of what years of development can do for a car but what is unique about its flat 6 engine, nothing I can think of.
PS Anybody who thinks that Senna could be gagged clearly knows little about the great man.
Thats Porsche, TVR, Caterham and Westfield slagged off today, I must try getting out of the otherside of the bed tomorrow. Goodnight folks
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Tuesday 2nd April 22:48
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Tuesday 2nd April 22:57
I wouldn't dream of knocking the 911, it is a great car and a perfect example of what years of development can do for a car but what is unique about its flat 6 engine, nothing I can think of.
PS Anybody who thinks that Senna could be gagged clearly knows little about the great man.
Thats Porsche, TVR, Caterham and Westfield slagged off today, I must try getting out of the otherside of the bed tomorrow. Goodnight folks
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Tuesday 2nd April 22:48
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Tuesday 2nd April 22:57
Personally, if I were to actually buy an NSX (yeah, right, after they rip my Esprit from my cold dead hands 
), I would wait for the alleged 8 cylinder 350-400 bhp version that is supposed to be in the "works" right now. This latest NSX is just a stopgap measure. By the way, rumors at most NSX related web sites have the next gen NSX going for only $ 55,000 - $ 60,000 US. Apparantly Honda/Acura wants to go after Corvette owners in the US...
Like I said rumors...
ErnestM
PS:Hey, so that's were all the unused Mitsu 3000GT lights went to...
), I would wait for the alleged 8 cylinder 350-400 bhp version that is supposed to be in the "works" right now. This latest NSX is just a stopgap measure. By the way, rumors at most NSX related web sites have the next gen NSX going for only $ 55,000 - $ 60,000 US. Apparantly Honda/Acura wants to go after Corvette owners in the US... Like I said rumors...
ErnestM
PS:Hey, so that's were all the unused Mitsu 3000GT lights went to...
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