does this sound like the clutch is gone?
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i posted on another thread about the cost of clutch fitted but i have been advised it may not be the full clutch that has gone.
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basically when the car is idling and the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal up you can hear some sort of spinning noise from inside the cabin. like some sort of bearing noise. But when you press the clutch pedal in, the noise goes away.
my mate said it is the clutch release bearing that has gone but a garage says it cannot be that if the noise goes when you press the pedal down.
any thoughts on this?
p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
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basically when the car is idling and the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal up you can hear some sort of spinning noise from inside the cabin. like some sort of bearing noise. But when you press the clutch pedal in, the noise goes away.
my mate said it is the clutch release bearing that has gone but a garage says it cannot be that if the noise goes when you press the pedal down.
any thoughts on this?
p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
Edited by steebo888 on Tuesday 2nd March 17:04
I've been advised of the same problem (Clutch release bearing) in relation to the same symptoms on my MR2. Noise has been apparent for the last 6 months/6000 miles. Haven't encountered any new clutch related problems since it started. Because of this I haven't even bothered to look into repair costs.
doogz said:
Yeah sounds like the release bearing to me.
If it was me, depending on mileage, and the cost of a new clutch, i might just change that while the box is off. If you're doing it yourself, it'll save doing it twice, or if you're putting it into a garage, it'll save you paying twice!
yep good idea, i have a quote so far of £255 plus vat for the clutch but will get a few more quotes and also get quotes for just the release bearing to compare.If it was me, depending on mileage, and the cost of a new clutch, i might just change that while the box is off. If you're doing it yourself, it'll save doing it twice, or if you're putting it into a garage, it'll save you paying twice!
steebo888 said:
when the car is idling and the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal up you can hear some sort of spinning noise from inside the cabin. like some sort of bearing noise. But when you press the clutch pedal in, the noise goes away.
p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
How long have you owned the car? Has it always done this, or just started? Over the years, we've had three MK4 Fiestas in the family, all of which have made the noise you describe. I sent the first, a '99 1.25 Zetec, back to the supplying dealer who showed me three other cars which all made the same noise when idling with the clutch released. That car was sold at nearly 70,000 miles without it getting any worse or causing any issues.p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
Likewise, our '02 1.25 Freestyle and 2001 1.6 Zetec-S both made the same noise, and both reached decent mileages without issue. Assuming the clutch works properly, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
DrainTheSpuds said:
steebo888 said:
when the car is idling and the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal up you can hear some sort of spinning noise from inside the cabin. like some sort of bearing noise. But when you press the clutch pedal in, the noise goes away.
p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
How long have you owned the car? Has it always done this, or just started? Over the years, we've had three MK4 Fiestas in the family, all of which have made the noise you describe. I sent the first, a '99 1.25 Zetec, back to the supplying dealer who showed me three other cars which all made the same noise when idling with the clutch released. That car was sold at nearly 70,000 miles without it getting any worse or causing any issues.p.s the car is a ford fiesta 1.25 16v 2001
Likewise, our '02 1.25 Freestyle and 2001 1.6 Zetec-S both made the same noise, and both reached decent mileages without issue. Assuming the clutch works properly, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
+1. My old MK4 Fiesta did the same, it was on the first Clutch still when i got shot of it at 100k miles.
had the same problem with my E21 bmw, was the clutch release bearing. couldn't have been louder than mine....the bearing broke up and went into the gearbox bell housing!!
you need to find a proper garage. you might get garages claiming it's the gearbox, but i doubt it. if it's release bearing, just get a new clutch if it is on its way anyway. mine was noisy for almost 1 year before i changed the clutch (i was changing the gearbox for a 5speed so i was going to change it anyway as the 'box was already off)
ETA: my dad has a '58 plate M3 which makes a slight noise, dealer said it's perfectly normal. as long as it's not that loud i wouldn't worry about it. does the noise continue if you accelerate in 1st gear? if not...don't worry. mine used to (as the bearing went into bell housing)
OP, personally, i wouldn't worry about it mate.
you need to find a proper garage. you might get garages claiming it's the gearbox, but i doubt it. if it's release bearing, just get a new clutch if it is on its way anyway. mine was noisy for almost 1 year before i changed the clutch (i was changing the gearbox for a 5speed so i was going to change it anyway as the 'box was already off)
ETA: my dad has a '58 plate M3 which makes a slight noise, dealer said it's perfectly normal. as long as it's not that loud i wouldn't worry about it. does the noise continue if you accelerate in 1st gear? if not...don't worry. mine used to (as the bearing went into bell housing)
OP, personally, i wouldn't worry about it mate.
Edited by E21_Ross on Tuesday 2nd March 20:51
steebo888 said:
doogz said:
Yeah sounds like the release bearing to me.
If it was me, depending on mileage, and the cost of a new clutch, i might just change that while the box is off. If you're doing it yourself, it'll save doing it twice, or if you're putting it into a garage, it'll save you paying twice!
yep good idea, i have a quote so far of £255 plus vat for the clutch but will get a few more quotes and also get quotes for just the release bearing to compare.If it was me, depending on mileage, and the cost of a new clutch, i might just change that while the box is off. If you're doing it yourself, it'll save doing it twice, or if you're putting it into a garage, it'll save you paying twice!
e36- same noise, went away when pressed, = release bearing.
without pressure, it's free to rattle about a bit and make noise, when pressed, it's clamped together a bit and it can quieten down.
mine did this for ages, then got very loud, started to squeal as well, and ended up dragging the clutch and making gearchanges awkward
without pressure, it's free to rattle about a bit and make noise, when pressed, it's clamped together a bit and it can quieten down.
mine did this for ages, then got very loud, started to squeal as well, and ended up dragging the clutch and making gearchanges awkward
steebo888 said:
basically when the car is idling and the car is in neutral with the clutch pedal up you can hear some sort of spinning noise from inside the cabin. like some sort of bearing noise. But when you press the clutch pedal in, the noise goes away.
Nothing to worry about, you should hear the sound of the thrust bearing after a few fast miles on a 350Z. Sounds like the gearbox is knackered. Took the car back to Nissan with 2500 miles on the clock.. dealer mentioned it was a characterisitic of the car... He was right all 350Z's are the same. Phew. thought i'd bought a new car with a f
ked gearbox ... lol.... lol....natureboy8891 said:
If it was the release bearing it would be when the pedal is pressed down.
How loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
+1 How loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
When the clutch pedal is pressed, the realse bearing is spinning at engine speed, so if it were the release bearing, it would get worse, not stop.
When the clutch pedal is pressed down, the gearbox stops spinning...... Most gearboxes have some level of backlash noise (transmission chatter) when idling in neutral with the clutch pedal up, and as others have said, is quite normal on the Fiesta box - I'd get someone who knows what they're doing to have a listen
Superhoop said:
natureboy8891 said:
If it was the release bearing it would be when the pedal is pressed down.
How loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
yep I agree. Sounds like a shagged layshaft bearing in the boxHow loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
+1
When the clutch pedal is pressed, the realse bearing is spinning at engine speed, so if it were the release bearing, it would get worse, not stop.
When the clutch pedal is pressed down, the gearbox stops spinning...... Most gearboxes have some level of backlash noise (transmission chatter) when idling in neutral with the clutch pedal up, and as others have said, is quite normal on the Fiesta box - I'd get someone who knows what they're doing to have a listen
Superhoop said:
natureboy8891 said:
If it was the release bearing it would be when the pedal is pressed down.
How loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
+1 How loud is the noise? it could be in the gearbox
When the clutch pedal is pressed, the realse bearing is spinning at engine speed, so if it were the release bearing, it would get worse, not stop.
When the clutch pedal is pressed down, the gearbox stops spinning...... Most gearboxes have some level of backlash noise (transmission chatter) when idling in neutral with the clutch pedal up, and as others have said, is quite normal on the Fiesta box - I'd get someone who knows what they're doing to have a listen
Release bearings on their way out do exactly as the OP explained. As someone else mentioned, with the clutch up they are 'unloaded' and rattle more, with the clutch down they are under load and generally quieten down.
With the cluct down the gearbox stops spinning, so yes it is possible there is a g/box issue, but compared to the probability of the release bearing I'd put my money on the bearing.
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