Transferring private plate without MOT

[motoroller]

The car doesn't have MOT or tax but has been sitting for a while. I want to take the private plate off - how do I go about it?

[AndrewW-G]

You get it MOT'd and Taxed, there doesnt seem to be a short cut to this and like many others in the past I've had to get a car to scrape through the MOT just to get the plate off it!

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 9th February 09:43

[motoroller]

AndrewW-G said:

You get it MOT'd and Taxed, there doesnt seem to be a short cut to this and like many others in the past I've had to get a car to scrape through the MOT just to get the plate off it!

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 9th February 09:43

It's a pretty stupid law, it just means the DVLA get a load of private plates back when cars are scrapped and they can then sell them back on :S Hopefully someone's managed to do it without MOT and we can find out how to...

[SystemParanoia]

I had a bare ( with terminal unsalvageable rust ) shell once that I wanted the plate off... no chance of it ever rolling again, nevermind driving.

I just got a dodgy mot.

Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.

[motoroller]

SystemParanoia said:

I had a bare ( with terminal unsalvageable rust ) shell once that I wanted the plate off... no chance of it ever rolling again, nevermind driving.

I just got a dodgy mot.

Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.

How does one go about... err... obtaining this paper?

[julian64]

I had the logbooks in my hand for W1 and W2.

My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.

My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.

The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.

I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.

[Engineer1]

It's probably harder now days as the MOT is computerised, so the car or atleast all its details need to be given to the Tester.

[AndrewW-G]

motoroller said:

AndrewW-G said:

You get it MOT'd and Taxed, there doesnt seem to be a short cut to this and like many others in the past I've had to get a car to scrape through the MOT just to get the plate off it!

It's a pretty stupid law, it just means the DVLA get a load of private plates back when cars are scrapped and they can then sell them back on :S Hopefully someone's managed to do it without MOT and we can find out how to...

Only way to do it is to commit fraud, something that would be a bit interesting were the DVLA to ask to inspect the car..................which they tend to do if a car hasn’t been on the road recently

[SystemParanoia]

Get the mot and tax, wait 6mths, and then transfer the plate. Any questions, just say you're in the middle of doing a full restoration

[Seez]

They can choose to inspect any car that has a plate transfer for no reason and regardless of age. I had an inspection of my perfectly roadworthy 2001 Audi. I had to drive to their inspection place and two people bascially looked at it. They looked at the engine, tried to find the engine number, couldn't and let me on my way.

I would think that if the car had looked very old or knackered they might have looked into it a bit further.

[aka_kerrly]

oh im going to continue watching this thread.

In the past my uncle transfered a plate from a 50s morris minor and the DVLA insisted it had T&T and he sent pictures of the car. He was issued with a new plate of the same style but it has to stay with the car and no one can transfer the plate again. My assumption is that this is because if you do have a pre 60s car with a eg ABC 1 then these are valuable so if everytime you transfer you get another you could potentially make a fair bit of money!

I did try and tell a mate recently that a car needs to have T&T and be roadworthy in order to have a plate transfered but he kept saying that it will be fine as he has a MOT and V5 still..... his problem is he has already cut the shell into tiny pieces HAHAHAHAHA the plate is a bland one with no meaning anyway so hardly a loss.

Dave

[motoroller]

anonymous said:

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So can I just get them to inspect the car instead of needing the tax or MOT?

[Roo]

You need an MOT but not tax if it's run out recently.

[Seez]

No, you need to apply with the valid tax and MOT and then they contact you IF they want to inspect it.

[Altrezia]

My Mrs lost her 21st birthday prezzie plate because of this. By the time the DVLA had got back to her (she applied to do it without having an MOT - you can appeal if it is not motable) she had already given up and sold most of the parts of the car - it was just a bare shell (which she presumed would be enough to prove the car had existed..)

Madness.

[motoroller]

Altrezia said:

My Mrs lost her 21st birthday prezzie plate because of this. By the time the DVLA had got back to her (she applied to do it without having an MOT - you can appeal if it is not motable) she had already given up and sold most of the parts of the car - it was just a bare shell (which she presumed would be enough to prove the car had existed..)

Madness.

What happened to the plate - is it for sale from the DVLA again?

[johnnyBv8]

motoroller said:

SystemParanoia said:

I had a bare ( with terminal unsalvageable rust ) shell once that I wanted the plate off... no chance of it ever rolling again, nevermind driving.

I just got a dodgy mot.

Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.

How does one go about... err... obtaining this paper?

Pretty difficult now. The computerised system means that VOSA can scrutinise aspects such as the duration of the MOT, and turn up unannounced to check the vehicle over. I've spoken to a few MOT testers and they seem to live in fear of having their licence revoked and always play it by the book.

[Vixpy1]

johnnyBv8 said:

motoroller said:

SystemParanoia said:

I had a bare ( with terminal unsalvageable rust ) shell once that I wanted the plate off... no chance of it ever rolling again, nevermind driving.

I just got a dodgy mot.

Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.

How does one go about... err... obtaining this paper?

Pretty difficult now. The computerised system means that VOSA can scrutinise aspects such as the duration of the MOT, and turn up unannounced to check the vehicle over. I've spoken to a few MOT testers and they seem to live in fear of having their licence revoked and always play it by the book.

bks is it difficult, the MOT system is dodgier now that it ever was.

[julian64]

anonymous said:

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Nothing. They refused to give me ownership (a transfer document) for the plates as the cyclemasters weren't mot-able. In truth the cyclemasters came in two boxes and you fixed them to the bycycle. I assume they looked something like this or possibly even predated them as they weren't actually part of a bike just engines in a box you fixed on.

http://www.classic-wheels.co.uk/old_cyclemaster_po...

But in their day they had to have proper number plates

I didn't send them the log books. Old brown colour in three vertical folds as I remember, and gave them back to my father as keep sakes. He still has them as far as I know. As for the actual cyclemasters they long since were disposed of, my father had just kept the log books. In those days there was nothing to stop you transferring plates with or without a vehicle as long as you had the logbook ownership.

The good news is they died a good death as the reason he wanted them was to get petrol coupons for his aluminium bodied XK120 special which was a bit fuel thirsty as he described it .

[Eddh]

There are still a few people that will stick them though though.