Sensible mods for my Link-up Honda
Discussion
So, I've done the suspension (Nitrons), done the brakes (Ali Belled and Pagid 4-2's), shoved some nicer seats in and even have harnesses and spent some money on a respray, a retrim and odds and sods. Time to spend some money on the engine. Right now it's a N/A honda with no mods (Apart from baffled sump which wasn't in the kit when mine was done), oh, and extra heatshielding.
So, what would be a sensible upgrade path and keeping 100% reliability? Money is an issue so it would possibly be done in phases. (and I'll be paying someone to do it as I'm a numpty!)
- Cams (Toda, JDM etc)
- ECU? (I *think* mine is the basic K100, is mine under that plastic cover on the boot divider and easy to recognise?)
- Supercharger (But will I end up spending a fortune then on injectors, charge cooler etc)
- Oil cooler? (half a dozen track days a year and I'm not a track day hero)
- Alloy Rad? (Still on the std one)
- Toe links? (Not quite Engine related ... still on std ones)
- more suggestions welcome
I've read a lot on Seloc, but I know a couple of people are on here who are not on Seloc, so just after more opinions before I part with my hard earned cash.
Also advice on to get x done at the same time as y to save on costs etc. Oh, and I'm next to Leicester if that makes any difference on recommendations. Brooke Kensington normally service my car.
So, what would be a sensible upgrade path and keeping 100% reliability? Money is an issue so it would possibly be done in phases. (and I'll be paying someone to do it as I'm a numpty!)
- Cams (Toda, JDM etc)
- ECU? (I *think* mine is the basic K100, is mine under that plastic cover on the boot divider and easy to recognise?)
- Supercharger (But will I end up spending a fortune then on injectors, charge cooler etc)
- Oil cooler? (half a dozen track days a year and I'm not a track day hero)
- Alloy Rad? (Still on the std one)
- Toe links? (Not quite Engine related ... still on std ones)
- more suggestions welcome
I've read a lot on Seloc, but I know a couple of people are on here who are not on Seloc, so just after more opinions before I part with my hard earned cash.
Also advice on to get x done at the same time as y to save on costs etc. Oh, and I'm next to Leicester if that makes any difference on recommendations. Brooke Kensington normally service my car.
What do you want to acheive? Do you want a supercharger (silly question 
)
Your car sounds pretty similar to mine spec wise (swap nitrons for ohlins). Ive got the up-rated toe links, if you do tracksdays you should have them from what I have read... and seen on video
My car also runs an OMEX ECU plus JDM cams (but I need to speak to the previous owner to double check in regards to the cams), which (in theory) gives my car ~240bhp. If you still run the basic k100, were does the v-tec start? Mines at 4300 ish.
Apart from that... I'm not much help... I'm interested in the answers though
) Your car sounds pretty similar to mine spec wise (swap nitrons for ohlins). Ive got the up-rated toe links, if you do tracksdays you should have them from what I have read... and seen on video
My car also runs an OMEX ECU plus JDM cams (but I need to speak to the previous owner to double check in regards to the cams), which (in theory) gives my car ~240bhp. If you still run the basic k100, were does the v-tec start? Mines at 4300 ish.
Apart from that... I'm not much help... I'm interested in the answers though
Edited by Dift on Tuesday 22 December 18:11
Edited by Dift on Tuesday 22 December 18:12
Of course I want a supercharger, don't be silly Its just what steps can I use to get there.
Ideally, want the most cost effective power solution - if that makes sense. eg Supercharge I think is worthwhile £/HP, things like pistons and 2.3l etc all start getting silly expensive (I believe) and like I said, it needs to be 100% reliable like it has until now.
Toe links will get done, but trying to get things done at the same time to save on install costs.
V-TEC is 4500'ish.
Oh I forgot to mention exhaust too, it's the std link-up one and I want to keep the boot for my road trips.
Its just what steps can I use to get there.Ideally, want the most cost effective power solution - if that makes sense. eg Supercharge I think is worthwhile £/HP, things like pistons and 2.3l etc all start getting silly expensive (I believe) and like I said, it needs to be 100% reliable like it has until now.
Toe links will get done, but trying to get things done at the same time to save on install costs.
V-TEC is 4500'ish.
Oh I forgot to mention exhaust too, it's the std link-up one and I want to keep the boot for my road trips.
I would deffo replace the rad at some point, and whilst it's off replace the fans and the heater rheostat if it's not been done before. Then upgrade the headlight to HID's and stick braided hoses on while the clam's off (if not done already). Both can be done with the clam on, but it's easier without I believe.
Having had an NA Link-Up S2 for just over 18 months and having had all of what you've had done, and more, I'd personally suggest not supercharging it, but spending some cash on a dyno day and having the map perfected for the components you have. It might not release masses of more power, but it will probably give you a bit more, and it will likely get the map to be smoother for ponies and torques.
Mine had no mods at all to the engine internals but with a remap achieved nearly 200bhp at the hubs at Abbey Motorsport, and could've done more if I'd have been prepared to pay the c.£800 for the full day's work that was required to remap it properly.
Having had an NA Link-Up S2 for just over 18 months and having had all of what you've had done, and more, I'd personally suggest not supercharging it, but spending some cash on a dyno day and having the map perfected for the components you have. It might not release masses of more power, but it will probably give you a bit more, and it will likely get the map to be smoother for ponies and torques.
Mine had no mods at all to the engine internals but with a remap achieved nearly 200bhp at the hubs at Abbey Motorsport, and could've done more if I'd have been prepared to pay the c.£800 for the full day's work that was required to remap it properly.
really depends what you want to end up with...
oil cooler - is only worth the effort if you do longish sessions on track or have a SC fitted.
ECU - leave well alone, if it needs re-mapping (for a SC or cams etc) then it can be done with what you have.
Radiator - if you have the std one, then law of averages says it will fail at some point, but personally, unless you have the clam off, wait till it does.
Toe links - this is more related to what use and tyres you run, treat as a service item, or if you plan on being a trackday hero, upgrade them.
Supercharger - up to you, if you can justify the cost, do it... worth remebering though that the brakes will take a beating though...
Cams are not really worth the effort for an NA road car as the cost is high for marginal gains, worth it for a race car, but that's another kettle of fish.
oil cooler - is only worth the effort if you do longish sessions on track or have a SC fitted.
ECU - leave well alone, if it needs re-mapping (for a SC or cams etc) then it can be done with what you have.
Radiator - if you have the std one, then law of averages says it will fail at some point, but personally, unless you have the clam off, wait till it does.
Toe links - this is more related to what use and tyres you run, treat as a service item, or if you plan on being a trackday hero, upgrade them.
Supercharger - up to you, if you can justify the cost, do it... worth remebering though that the brakes will take a beating though...
Cams are not really worth the effort for an NA road car as the cost is high for marginal gains, worth it for a race car, but that's another kettle of fish.
I echo what Scuffers and Tim say.Aly rad and toe links are the best bet from the list you've offered.
I've had N/A Honda's for some 4 years now, and have honestly never wanted to SC either of them. Consumabes such as tyres, brakes and petrol costs will increase.
All your decisions should be based on use and not necessarily buying what everyone tells you.
Best of luck chap:up
I've had N/A Honda's for some 4 years now, and have honestly never wanted to SC either of them. Consumabes such as tyres, brakes and petrol costs will increase.
All your decisions should be based on use and not necessarily buying what everyone tells you.
Best of luck chap:up
With a link up kit (excuse my ignorance), what exhaust do you get? I've got an late Pheonix conversion (not a link up?), an that has a nice manifold and exige style exhaust and big filter sitting in the carbon side pod.
Personally like mentioned above Im happy with the Na setup at the moment.
What wheels do you have? Could be worth looking into some nice light weight ones?
Personally like mentioned above Im happy with the Na setup at the moment.
What wheels do you have? Could be worth looking into some nice light weight ones?
Thanks for all the helpful replies.
I've emailed Brooke Kensington for some prices now (But they're closed till 4th Jan, so will have to wait)
Toe Links, when I decide on which ones, will probably done at the next annual service in May then. Spitfire, Hotlaps, EliseParts, EliseShop need to do more reading to see which ones I should use. I used to run 888's on track, but for the fun factor I have recently moved to AD07's and they're much better. I have a spare set of wheels so that's not a problem.
Radiator - Will leave until it goes pop. Especially as I had the front clam off in Aug for a respray, doh!
I'm really leaning towards to s/c, just for that extra kick and the wonderful sound. I don't need it, but I want it If I were to go s/c, any tips on things to do at the same time, without going mental of course. The brakes should be up to it, I'm no last minute braker, but I do have the Eliseparts ali-belled discs all round so the car stops pretty well if needed to. Oh, and what I don't have in driver talent, I want to make up with power
I've emailed Brooke Kensington for some prices now (But they're closed till 4th Jan, so will have to wait)
Toe Links, when I decide on which ones, will probably done at the next annual service in May then. Spitfire, Hotlaps, EliseParts, EliseShop need to do more reading to see which ones I should use. I used to run 888's on track, but for the fun factor I have recently moved to AD07's and they're much better. I have a spare set of wheels so that's not a problem.
Radiator - Will leave until it goes pop. Especially as I had the front clam off in Aug for a respray, doh!
I'm really leaning towards to s/c, just for that extra kick and the wonderful sound. I don't need it, but I want it
If I were to go s/c, any tips on things to do at the same time, without going mental of course. The brakes should be up to it, I'm no last minute braker, but I do have the Eliseparts ali-belled discs all round so the car stops pretty well if needed to. Oh, and what I don't have in driver talent, I want to make up with power Well, toe links have been done courtesy of Guilgelemi.
I was very happy until I went in a S/C Atom last week and now I'm lusting after a S/C C/C again. BK have not done a retofit before so aren't too comfortable doing it. Anyone else have suggestions on where to go and at least prices in the meantime for me to think about. I'm in the East Midlands and don't want to trek too far.
I was very happy until I went in a S/C Atom last week and now I'm lusting after a S/C C/C again. BK have not done a retofit before so aren't too comfortable doing it. Anyone else have suggestions on where to go and at least prices in the meantime for me to think about. I'm in the East Midlands and don't want to trek too far.
My personal preference would be to get a link-up dealer to do the install even if you do end up having to go further to have the work done. At least you then keep your conversion link-up which may possibly be better for re-sale should you ever let the car go. You then also have their support, mapping which is crucial, the only well proven chargecooler if you want it, general knowledge, peace of mind that they've done it before etc, etc.............
ModMan said:
Well, toe links have been done courtesy of Guilgelemi.
I was very happy until I went in a S/C Atom last week and now I'm lusting after a S/C C/C again. BK have not done a retofit before so aren't too comfortable doing it. Anyone else have suggestions on where to go and at least prices in the meantime for me to think about. I'm in the East Midlands and don't want to trek too far.
Not sure why you got that impression from BK?I was very happy until I went in a S/C Atom last week and now I'm lusting after a S/C C/C again. BK have not done a retofit before so aren't too comfortable doing it. Anyone else have suggestions on where to go and at least prices in the meantime for me to think about. I'm in the East Midlands and don't want to trek too far.
Was there this week (they have a SC IC Honda S2 in at the moment), Simon is more than capable of doing the job, I suggest you give him a shout.
Oil cooler is a must. I ran mine without anything and the oil temp when off the gauge. Installed the little Honda water oil cooler and still to high (140c+). Installed an air oil cooler as well and now down to a max of 125c on track. It doesn't really matter how many track days you do it only takes one to cook the engine!
Well firstly thanks to Simon at BK, service and an MOT and the car is brilliant. He also fixed lots of little niggly things which was good of him. I'm dead chuffed with his service again and would stronly recommend him to anyone.
I also spoke to him about SC etc's so I think he's going to speak to Simon S and come up with something for me
I also spoke to him about SC etc's so I think he's going to speak to Simon S and come up with something for me
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