Carbon Ceramic Brakes Worth the cost?
Carbon Ceramic Brakes Worth the cost?
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Topboy

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275 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Hi there

I'm about to buy an Audi R8 V10 and wondered if anyone has any experiance and knowledge of Carbon Ceramic Brakes?

If anyone has real life experiance of using these types of brakes in an everyday scenario (Non TrackDay use) then would you share your experiances on here please?

Many thanks

Edited by Topboy on Tuesday 22 December 11:07

_rubinho_

1,237 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Worst "I'm going to buy an R8 V10" thread ever? wink

Seriously, surely bragging rights alone mean that Carbon Ceramics are a must on the spec sheet! cool

Topboy

Original Poster:

653 posts

275 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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_rubinho_ said:
Worst "I'm going to buy an R8 V10" thread ever? wink

Seriously, surely bragging rights alone mean that Carbon Ceramics are a must on the spec sheet! cool
Damn it...thought i had got away with that and been subtle wink

On a serious note I'm trying to way up the Pro's and Con's and if they are worth it for everyday use smile

mat205125

17,790 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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What are the warranty conditions? The tick box on the options sheet will be a fraction of the replacement cost when they wear out. I heard stories of over £20k for a set of 911 GT3 discs and pads for the 996, and questionable real world lifespans when used on the track.

LHD

17,002 posts

203 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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I've only had limited use of a 997 TT with PCCB and i'd prefer the steel brakes for day to day.

But excellent bragging rights though having ceramic brakes. thumbup

The Wookie

14,154 posts

244 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Old man had two 430's, one before and after Ceramics became standard fitment, otherwise identical spec. Never driven on track.

Steel brakes had better feel, more progressive, still stopped very well. On the 430 though, the pads were quite short lived.

Ceramics feel a bit over servoed and thus a bit grabby at low speed but with the side effect that they're quicker to respond when you stand on them and thus 'feel' more powerful, although in reality your braking is limited by the tyres, not the brakes. One thing worth noting is that the ride feels better damped and lighter footed, presumably because of lower unsprung mass.

Given the choice, they're not worth the 8 grand they were as an option, but both Dad and I prefer them overall, despite being a bit annoying in traffic.

deviant

4,316 posts

226 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Be interesting to know the truth but I have read that if the car is a daily driver the discs will last the life of the car!

ewenm

28,506 posts

261 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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I've yet to drive a modern car on road that I felt didn't have good enough standard brakes - if you can lock the wheels at will, do you need more? For cars that spend a lot of time on track or driving styles that are doing lots and lots of emergency stops, I can see that fade-resistant carbon ceramics may be useful.

Of course, resale value may be reduced by not specifying the carbon ceramics...

Topboy

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653 posts

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Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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mat205125 said:
What are the warranty conditions? The tick box on the options sheet will be a fraction of the replacement cost when they wear out. I heard stories of over £20k for a set of 911 GT3 discs and pads for the 996, and questionable real world lifespans when used on the track.
Well the car purchase is a second hand vehicle direct from Audi UK and it does not have Carbon Ceramic Brakes on it currently.

The dealer has quoted me £10K for them as a Audi dealer fit part so I can I guess the replacement cost would be £10K, however I thought the life span on the rotors were supposed to be lifetime with only a need to replace the pads, therefore I can't imagine that I would need to replace the whole system once installed

DangerousMike

11,327 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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they are pretty good at stopping you faster in the snow than steel brakes.

_rubinho_

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199 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Topboy said:
_rubinho_ said:
Worst "I'm going to buy an R8 V10" thread ever? wink

Seriously, surely bragging rights alone mean that Carbon Ceramics are a must on the spec sheet! cool
Damn it...thought i had got away with that and been subtle wink

On a serious note I'm trying to way up the Pro's and Con's and if they are worth it for everyday use smile
My only experience with carbon brakes is from motorsport where they replace them all of the time, they are ruinously expensive and they smell horrible especially if they've run them hot! I've not owned or driven a road car equipped with them.

I suspect they'd be quite dodgy on the road until you got them up to a suitable temperature. In the kind of weather we're having now they'd probably be next to useless but I doubt it's really R8 V10 conditions out there anyway and there'd be a strong preference for something altogether more sensible! smile

mat205125

17,790 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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DangerousMike said:
they are pretty good at stopping you faster in the snow than steel brakes.
How?

The Wookie

14,154 posts

244 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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Topboy said:
The dealer has quoted me £10K for them as a Audi dealer fit part so I can I guess the replacement cost would be £10K, however I thought the life span on the rotors were supposed to be lifetime with only a need to replace the pads, therefore I can't imagine that I would need to replace the whole system once installed
Don't bother. Definitely not worth 10 grand.

The Wookie

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244 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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_rubinho_ said:
I suspect they'd be quite dodgy on the road until you got them up to a suitable temperature.
Nah, they're fine from stone cold on road cars, mainly because they've got masses of servo assistance

duggan

942 posts

264 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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I have them on the Challenge Stradale and is the first car I've owned with these type of brakes - probably unsurprisingly they are far better than standard discs/pads and even startling compared to the "Big Brake" pack I had on a prior Lotus Exige S - throw on the anchors and the car stops effortlessly.

Costwise, the discs are expensive (given that the CS's come from the Enzo) if something goes wrong, but the pads are said to last 75k with normal use.

One other plus, outside of performance, is that they are very clean brakes - no brake dust smile

Topboy

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Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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_rubinho_ said:
I doubt it's really R8 V10 conditions out there anyway and there'd be a strong preference for something altogether more sensible! smile
What do you mean...this is perfect weather for a quattro V10...well is was yesterday when i took it out for a test run...however we do not have any snow up here

ewenm

28,506 posts

261 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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duggan said:
I have them on the Challenge Stradale and is the first car I've owned with these type of brakes - probably unsurprisingly they are far better than standard discs/pads and even startling compared to the "Big Brake" pack I had on a prior Lotus Exige S - throw on the anchors and the car stops effortlessly.

Costwise, the discs are expensive (given that the CS's come from the Enzo) if something goes wrong, but the pads are said to last 75k with normal use.

One other plus, outside of performance, is that they are very clean brakes - no brake dust smile
I find it interesting that you've experienced better performance - were you unable to lock the wheels in the previous cars? If not, is it not more the ABS and EBD-style software that improves the performance rather than the brake material? Of course, if the standard brakes fade in a single stop, then there's a big problem with the brakes anyway.

Topboy

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Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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The Wookie said:
_rubinho_ said:
I suspect they'd be quite dodgy on the road until you got them up to a suitable temperature.
Nah, they're fine from stone cold on road cars, mainly because they've got masses of servo assistance
From experiance how long does it take your ol man's 430 with CCB to warm them up to the point that they are usefull?

The Wookie

14,154 posts

244 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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They're as good as steel brakes from stone cold

ETA - I've certainly not picked up any noticable warm up period on the road anyway, and I have plenty of experience with steel racing brakes and more extreme pad compounds on the road which do need a few stops to get going.

Edited by The Wookie on Tuesday 22 December 11:39

Topboy

Original Poster:

653 posts

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Tuesday 22nd December 2009
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The Wookie said:
They're as good as steel brakes from stone cold
Thanks Wookie and all for the input

Anyone else have experiance on this on another type of car?

Edited by Topboy on Tuesday 22 December 11:38