Global Cooling - Where to invest
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Given that a number of physicist and astro physicists, are predicting global cooling in the next 10 + years.. (ie those non 'climate scientists' guys at CERN, not the motley CRU)
Any thoughts on where to invest, technologies, companies, sectors...
A bit of Cooling by all concerns would appear to have a number of worse effect than colloing....
ie food production, falls, etc,etc
We will probably just pay more, why others starve.
Any thoughts on where to invest, technologies, companies, sectors...
A bit of Cooling by all concerns would appear to have a number of worse effect than colloing....
ie food production, falls, etc,etc
We will probably just pay more, why others starve.
BJWoods said:
Given that a number of physicist and astro physicists, are predicting global cooling in the next 10 + years.. (ie those non 'climate scientists' guys at CERN, not the motley CRU)
Any thoughts on where to invest, technologies, companies, sectors...
A bit of Cooling by all concerns would appear to have a number of worse effect than colloing....
ie food production, falls, etc,etc
We will probably just pay more, why others starve.
Polytunnels/greenhouses could be a winner as people try to grow their own veg during an economic and climate decline.Any thoughts on where to invest, technologies, companies, sectors...
A bit of Cooling by all concerns would appear to have a number of worse effect than colloing....
ie food production, falls, etc,etc
We will probably just pay more, why others starve.
chris watton said:
B Oeuf said:
does anyone know what bookies are taking bets on this? and when would a good date be? jan 2012?
I know that a few Russian astrophysicists are taking bets with their European counterparts, regarding cooling. chris watton said:
B Oeuf said:
does anyone know what bookies are taking bets on this? and when would a good date be? jan 2012?
I know that a few Russian astrophysicists are taking bets with their European counterparts, regarding cooling. Halb said:
chris watton said:
B Oeuf said:
does anyone know what bookies are taking bets on this? and when would a good date be? jan 2012?
I know that a few Russian astrophysicists are taking bets with their European counterparts, regarding cooling. 
Hedders said:
Halb said:
chris watton said:
B Oeuf said:
does anyone know what bookies are taking bets on this? and when would a good date be? jan 2012?
I know that a few Russian astrophysicists are taking bets with their European counterparts, regarding cooling. 
From an account of 'the' Dalton Minimum. Currently data is consistent with entry to a Dalton or Maunder Minimum, the latter representing Little Ice Age conditions. Database homogeneity algorithms won't be needed if what looks likely to happen actually happens.
Miserable Summer
The people who survived the drought and cold would long after refer to 1816 as “eighteen hundred and froze to death.” Sleet fell in the Northeast United States, and snowdrifts remained 2 feet deep in late spring. In Franconia, New Hampshire, 88-year-old physician Edward Holyoke, an amateur astronomer and meteorologist who kept detailed weather records for 80 years, wrote on June 7: “exceeding[ly] cold. Ground frozen hard, and squalls of snow through the day. Icicles 12 inches long in the shade at noon day.”
Nobody could recall such a cold spring. Sheep froze in meadows and small birds were “easily caught by reason of the cold” or were found dead in fields. Massachusetts physician William Bentley wrote on June 12: “in few seasons have we heard more bitter complaints against cold weather than since June has come in.” Others recorded killer droughts and a strange, tepid dryness wafting on northwest winds.
turbobloke said:
[From an account of 'the' Dalton Minimum. Currently data is consistent with entry to a Dalton or Maunder Minimum, the latter representing Little Ice Age conditions. Database homogeneity algorithms won't be needed if what looks likely to happen actually happens.
Miserable Summer
The people who survived the drought and cold would long after refer to 1816 as “eighteen hundred and froze to death.” Sleet fell in the Northeast United States, and snowdrifts remained 2 feet deep in late spring. In Franconia, New Hampshire, 88-year-old physician Edward Holyoke, an amateur astronomer and meteorologist who kept detailed weather records for 80 years, wrote on June 7: “exceeding[ly] cold. Ground frozen hard, and squalls of snow through the day. Icicles 12 inches long in the shade at noon day.”
Nobody could recall such a cold spring. Sheep froze in meadows and small birds were “easily caught by reason of the cold” or were found dead in fields. Massachusetts physician William Bentley wrote on June 12: “in few seasons have we heard more bitter complaints against cold weather than since June has come in.” Others recorded killer droughts and a strange, tepid dryness wafting on northwest winds.
The prime cause of the unusually cold conditions of 1816, often referred to as "The year without summer," is thought to be the eruption of the Mount Tambora supervolcano in Indonesia. It ejected huge amounts of ash & dust into the atmosphere which resulted in a drop in global temperatures.Miserable Summer
The people who survived the drought and cold would long after refer to 1816 as “eighteen hundred and froze to death.” Sleet fell in the Northeast United States, and snowdrifts remained 2 feet deep in late spring. In Franconia, New Hampshire, 88-year-old physician Edward Holyoke, an amateur astronomer and meteorologist who kept detailed weather records for 80 years, wrote on June 7: “exceeding[ly] cold. Ground frozen hard, and squalls of snow through the day. Icicles 12 inches long in the shade at noon day.”
Nobody could recall such a cold spring. Sheep froze in meadows and small birds were “easily caught by reason of the cold” or were found dead in fields. Massachusetts physician William Bentley wrote on June 12: “in few seasons have we heard more bitter complaints against cold weather than since June has come in.” Others recorded killer droughts and a strange, tepid dryness wafting on northwest winds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tambora#1815_er...
Busa_Rush said:
There's no point doing anything, if the heat doesn't kill us and we escape the acid oceans, we will simply be drowned by rising sea level.
Incidentally, how can the sea level rise in one part of the world and not another . . . isn't the water all connected like a big bath ?
If the icebergs do melt, the sea level won't rise as much as you think, most of their mass is already under water.Incidentally, how can the sea level rise in one part of the world and not another . . . isn't the water all connected like a big bath ?
Puddenchucker said:
Wiki
With respect I'd look to science and credible sources of that, rather than Wiki. It makes the IPCC review processes look half decent 
There's no doubt that the volcanism referred to, in 1815, was a contributory factor to cooling in that year and shortly afterwards while the sulphuric acid aerosol persisted. However the Dalton Minimum covered a substantially longer period and is considered to run from about 1790 to about 1820, and overall temperatures recovered towards the end of the Dalton Minimum between 1815 and 1820. Much of the cooling had already taken place before the eruption Wiki leans on to hide the decline.
As you can see it's a direct link, I didn't write the caption or write the numbers in the sky.
From a paper by Archibald still on HM Treasury website iirc (below).
No volcanism needed.
NASA refused to mention the words Dalton Minimum for a long time, but now as others contemplate whether the more prolonged and deeper drop in solar activity signals a Maunder-type minimum rather than Dalton, people at NASA have finally woken up and spoken out:
NASA scientist Dr David Hathaway said:
Still, something like the Dalton Minimum — two solar cycles in the early 1800s that peaked at about an average of 50 sunspots — lies in the realm of the possible.
Given the nature of official NASA statements (until the people involved move jobs or retire) consider that to mean a Maunder type minimum isn't ruled out yet either.The best anti-agw argument (or certainly anti-doing anything much about it) and one I do subscribe to (despite my mocking of pseudoscientific chaps like TB) is that the climate is chaotic.
The financial markets are also pretty chaotic.
Combine the two and investing on the basis of global cooling at some undetermined point in the future is a folly imo. I'd strongly recommend against it.
ETA: On the other hand suggestions like B Oeuf's make a lot of sense. If you have decent size to put on a decent bookie like Ladbrokes, given enough time, will give you a price on pretty much any bet. That is the way to express your view.
ETA2: If you have a lot of money there are temperature derivatives...
The financial markets are also pretty chaotic.
Combine the two and investing on the basis of global cooling at some undetermined point in the future is a folly imo. I'd strongly recommend against it.
ETA: On the other hand suggestions like B Oeuf's make a lot of sense. If you have decent size to put on a decent bookie like Ladbrokes, given enough time, will give you a price on pretty much any bet. That is the way to express your view.
ETA2: If you have a lot of money there are temperature derivatives...
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Monday 14th December 18:01
Somewhatfoolish said:
The best anti-agw argument (or certainly anti-doing anything much about it) and one I do subscribe to (despite my mocking of pseudoscientific chaps like TB)]
ho ho hoThere's nothing unreal about science PH is forwarded by me, and nothing unreal about the science qualifications, experience, background and other aspects which - at the time of a particularly prolonged period of online harrassment against me - were verified by an independent third party PHer.
What are your scientific credentials out of interest, pseudo or otherwise?
As to mocking, don't flatter yourself. The feeble attacks you mount always fall flat, as did this attempt. Never mind.
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