White gloss paint (water-based)

[garycat]

After stinking the house out at the weekend with oil-based gloss and getting in a right mess with white spirit I think I'd like to try the water-based one for several more doorframes and skirting boards.

Is it any good? Any brands to recommend?

Also I saw a Dulux paint at the weekend which claims to reflect more light...

http://www.dulux.co.uk/products/info/light_and_spa...

Anyone tried it? Does it actually work?

[Munter]

Not tried that. But when I was painting for money we always used to use the "Once" stuff. Less drips see as it's almost like a mousse in the pot.

[Wings]

Munter said:

Not tried that. But when I was painting for money we always used to use the "Once" stuff. Less drips see as it's almost like a mousse in the pot.

Rather not, yellows very quick and flakes off, no beating primer, 2 coats undercoat, gloss, leaving 24 hours in between coats.

[cyb]

Years ago I zoomed up to Homebase as I'd run out of Dulux Satin (Oil based) doing some doors and mistakenly bought the quick drying water based version. The frame I completed in oil based satin, the doors in water based.

Fast forward 5 years and the frames looked yellow but the doors still looked brilliant white, no prizes for guessing which version I used the next time. I don't think it's as hard wearing as an oil based paint but seems to stay whiter for much longer.

[astroarcadia]

No professional decorator would use water based gloss.

[FlossyThePig]

astroarcadia said:

No professional decorator would use water based gloss.

... or non-drip or any other "make it easy for the incompetent" product.

[OldSkoolRS]

astroarcadia said:

No professional decorator would use water based gloss.

My (retired decorator) Stepfather visibly shudders if I mention water based paint (apart from emulsion). However I hate the smell of oil based myself and I only have a little skirting (most is tiled upstand or Oak anyway) and architrave that is painted white so hardly an issue in my house.

[stackmonkey]

I've used water based gloss before, because of the smell and fumes of oil based. ( i have asthma and the fumes tend to set if off)

The water based
1) costs more
2) doesn't cover as well
3) doesn't have the same quality of colour to start
4) discolours far quicker than oil based

I've gone back to oil based and use various methods to get rid of the smell and fumes.

[Simpo Two]

stackmonkey said:

The water based
1) costs more
2) doesn't cover as well
3) doesn't have the same quality of colour to start
4) discolours far quicker than oil based

Yep - just like lightbulbs, a cheap product that worked very well has been replaced with an expensive one that doesn't. Welcome to Marketing

[B17NNS]

Wings said:

Munter said:

Not tried that. But when I was painting for money we always used to use the "Once" stuff. Less drips see as it's almost like a mousse in the pot.

Rather not, yellows very quick and flakes off, no beating primer, 2 coats undercoat, gloss, leaving 24 hours in between coats.

4 days to do a door? You may well leave a beautiful finish wherever you go but you won't make much money at it.

[cyb]

stackmonkey said:

4) discolours far quicker than oil based

Definitely not the case with Dulux Satinwood, the water based version stays white for much longer.

[RichB]

cyb said:

stackmonkey said:

4) discolours far quicker than oil based

Definitely not the case with Dulux Satinwood, the water based version stays white for much longer.

But we're talking about "gloss" though.

Personally I agree with most on here, rub down, 2 x undercoats and a proper spirit based gloss. I use Crown (basic) White Gloss & Undercoat because I specifically don't like "Brilliant White".

The issue is that one has to learn to be clean and orderly as you paints, I think the water based paints encourage a messy approach because you know you won't do much damage with them... Keep the brush clean, don't get paint all round the rim of the tin, keep a cloth handy clean brushes immediately afterwards etc.

[GreenDog]

To get rid of the smell of paint invest in a plug-in ioniser and leave it on overnight after painting. The smell is pretty much gone in the morning.

[Munter]

FlossyThePig said:

astroarcadia said:

No professional decorator would use water based gloss.

... or non-drip or any other "make it easy for the incompetent" product.

On the off chance this was angled in my direction. I never said I was professional. Just that I was paid to paint things and that was what we used.

Twas only a local private school employing us commoners in the summer.

[Pobolycwm]

Sikkens waterbased gloss has a good reputation in Germany, is available in UK

[DrDeAtH]

remember.... oil based paints are being phased out, so it will only be water based that will be available one day.....

[HRG.]

Try putting a cup of white vinegar in the room near where you're painting if you're bothered by fumes. For whatever reason it greatly reduces them

[astroarcadia]

Munter said:

FlossyThePig said:

astroarcadia said:

No professional decorator would use water based gloss.

... or non-drip or any other "make it easy for the incompetent" product.

On the off chance this was angled in my direction. I never said I was professional. Just that I was paid to paint things and that was what we used.

Twas only a local private school employing us commoners in the summer.

Not directed at your comment.

I am a carpenter and therefore spend alot of time working with decorators, watching how they work.

Edited by astroarcadia on Tuesday 27th October 20:01