Performance Monitors

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marlboro

Original Poster:

637 posts

277 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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Has anyone experience with Race Technologies AP-22 performance monitor? Good / bad or indifferent, any views would be welcome. If it does what it says, then it's excellent value.

Here's a link for those uninformed:
www.cb-racing.com/rt-ap-22.htm
or
www.pistonheads.com/shop/race-tech


If you follow any links to RaceTech's site you will need to use Netscape, for some reason it does not like IE5.5 or IE6.

barter

246 posts

290 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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I bought one over a year ago. Shortly afterwards lent it to a friend and he's still using it!!! Really, he is!
It does everything it says it does.

Have a look at www.strangely.org/diary/200008/index.html
Its a friends site who also bought an AP-22 for his Seven. The link sometines throws a DNS error for some reason. Just hit refresh.

Rob.

GreenV8S

30,423 posts

290 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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I've got an AP22 and it is very good, extremely simple to use and the results stack up with measurements from other sources. Having said that, my AP22 will soon be replaced by the new GPS data logger which does all the AP22 does and a lot more. Details on the race-technology web site.

marlboro

Original Poster:

637 posts

277 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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The DL90 GPS data logger sounds great, but at £500...

Anyway thanks for the info, have just ordered an AP-22.

Peter,
Would be great to hear how you find the new DL90.

Regards
Brian

GreenV8S

30,423 posts

290 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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The DL90 GPS data logger sounds great, but at £500...


Yes that's quite a lot of money - but the competing product from Racelogic costs ten times as much!

JamesG

128 posts

271 months

Tuesday 12th March 2002
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Hi all,

This is my first post to Pistonheads! I've only seen the gassing station a few times but my mate Campbell (yes, *that* Campbell), told me about this thread which I have a particular interest in.

I bought an AP22 a couple of months ago and can confirm that it is an excellent product. I use it to check the performance of my Toyota Celica.

In fact, I've ended up going a lot further than the standard use of the AP22. I discovered it has the ability to output data in real-time instead of to its internal memory, so I'm been writing a computer program that displays and analyses that data while the car is being driven (for the use of the passenger, obviously!). I've made a web page about it which you can see here:

www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~jamesg/telemetry.html

Cheers,

James.

GreenV8S

30,423 posts

290 months

Wednesday 13th March 2002
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In fact, I've ended up going a lot further than the standard use of the AP22. I discovered it has the ability to output data in real-time instead of to its internal memory, so I'm been writing a computer program that displays and analyses that data while the car is being driven (for the use of the passenger, obviously!). I've made a web page about it which you can see here:

www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~jamesg/telemetry.html

Cheers,

James.




Writing your own? What's wrong with the Race Tech DCAT software? Very powerful graphing capabilities, and includes a full-screen live display of lat/long acceleration.

JonRB

75,725 posts

278 months

Wednesday 13th March 2002
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Maybe James thought it was more fun to write his own? I can relate to that.

JamesG

128 posts

271 months

Wednesday 13th March 2002
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The DCAT software is very good but its realtime capabilities are somewhat limited. My program plots the various measurements (lateral and longitudinal acceleration) and the derived ones (speed, distance, horse power) on a graph which is continually updated during the run.

Also, since it does not record to the internal memory of the AP22, it can record as many runs as you like, for as long as you like.

It does, of course, have the same inaccuracies as the AP22 over longer runs due to the cumulative errors - especially if you start going up or down a hill! This is why the new DL90 data logger is so good - it doesn't only rely on accelerometers to determine the speed, it can get an accurate reading from the GPS.

Incidentally, the main reason I started the program was because I saw something on TV which featured the Skyline GTR with its "G-Force meter". I've made a version of this with the AP22 but I can't find any more information about the onboard telemetry of the Skyline.

Anyone know anything about it?

James.

JonRB

75,725 posts

278 months

Wednesday 13th March 2002
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Anyone know anything about it?
You could try asking the nice chaps over at the UK Skyline GT-R Register.

URL is www.gtr.co.uk/

cleg

567 posts

270 months

Thursday 23rd May 2002
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Peter, how accurate was the meter at measuring the bhp compaired to the results on a roling road (I know they vairy on RR just wondered if its similar?)

mel

10,168 posts

281 months

Thursday 23rd May 2002
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Bloody hell James you sound like a bright bloke, with a lot of understanding and the ability to string togeather an articulate and gramatically correct sentance. What are you doing knocking about with Cambelt ????


Ownly jolking Campbill.

GreenV8S

30,423 posts

290 months

Thursday 23rd May 2002
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Peter, how accurate was the meter at measuring the bhp compaired to the results on a roling road (I know they vairy on RR just wondered if its similar?)



It varies a lot with weather, tiny slopes, wind and so on but the numbers are reasonably consistent, and I got a recognisable torque curve out of it. I wouldn't really try to compare the results to rolling road values though. I use it to compare different runs to see whether the car is gaining or losing power, whether that gear was faster through the corner, how much grip I am finding so on.

cleg

567 posts

270 months

Thursday 23rd May 2002
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Thanks Peter,
We used to use similar systems when I was karting but that measured times as had the track maped into its memory.
I take it you had to weigh your car for the systems data, did u use a corner weights or weigh bridge?

>> Edited by cleg on Thursday 23 May 15:02

JamesG

128 posts

271 months

Thursday 23rd May 2002
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Cheers Mel! Nah, I don't know why I knock about with that mad Cambelt character It was his fault I got interested in cars in the first place. We both were made redundant from where we worked a while ago. Campbell tried to blow up the building. Well...maybe not. I've just got a job as a software engineer working on motorsport ECUs so it's worked out alright

James.