Bus lane cameras
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Wifie got a letter today from croyden nazi council to tell her she got caught by a camera in the bus lane and if she does not pay £40 within 14 days she'll have to pay £80.
She is convinced that she avoided all the bus lanes. At least the ones she saw anyway. When she got home that day she was fuming about how crap the road system was and how MicroShit AutoRoute told her to make a right hand turn into a road which Croyen nazi council did not allow her to make a right hand turn. Resulting in her nearly being late for her job interview.
Thank good ness she is not taking that job now anyway.
So any ideas on what to do about this demand? I have said she sould ask for the evidence and explain the situation as she remembers it. Anymore she could do? She is of course very worried about this action taking more than 14 days and resulting in her having to pay £80 and so she is tempted to just pay the £40 and be done with it. Prehaps this is what Croyden nazi council are counting on.
She is convinced that she avoided all the bus lanes. At least the ones she saw anyway. When she got home that day she was fuming about how crap the road system was and how MicroShit AutoRoute told her to make a right hand turn into a road which Croyen nazi council did not allow her to make a right hand turn. Resulting in her nearly being late for her job interview.
Thank good ness she is not taking that job now anyway.
So any ideas on what to do about this demand? I have said she sould ask for the evidence and explain the situation as she remembers it. Anymore she could do? She is of course very worried about this action taking more than 14 days and resulting in her having to pay £80 and so she is tempted to just pay the £40 and be done with it. Prehaps this is what Croyden nazi council are counting on.
Ask them what right they have to impose a bus lane anyway? What are the procedures and did they comply with them? Ask for the evidence and then try the right to silence tack. If you dont know what that is then follow the link on the ABD site or read "speed cameras and your right to silece on speeding and plod here.
The privvy council ruled that it was in the public interest for speeding motorists not to have a right to silence because of safety. I wonder where they stand on bus lanes?
The privvy council ruled that it was in the public interest for speeding motorists not to have a right to silence because of safety. I wonder where they stand on bus lanes?
My departement runs 28+ vehicles a day delivering beer round the London. We pay about a £1000 a week in parking tickets etc.
We actually had out first bus lane violation the other week and requested the evidence. We still ended up having to pay the £80 due to the time it took for them to respond and the crew were guilty.
In all honesty I would pay the £40 and spit ! The reason being that they do have the evidence and you are unlikely to be not guilty. Its crap I know !
Congestion tax soon aswell !! Feckers !
Cheers
Mark
We actually had out first bus lane violation the other week and requested the evidence. We still ended up having to pay the £80 due to the time it took for them to respond and the crew were guilty.
In all honesty I would pay the £40 and spit ! The reason being that they do have the evidence and you are unlikely to be not guilty. Its crap I know !
Congestion tax soon aswell !! Feckers !
Cheers
Mark
Got one of those letters from Islington. It was for riding my bike in the bus lane on a road I hardly ever travel on, so requested the evidence. In reply, I got a threatening letter warning of up to £1000 fine. Once again, I requested the evidence. A few weeks later, I got a 'Final Warning' letter. Yet again, I requested the evidence. They have now give up (I think...). It has to be worth it!
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My departement runs 28+ vehicles a day delivering beer round the London. We pay about a £1000 a week in parking tickets etc.
We actually had out first bus lane violation the other week and requested the evidence. We still ended up having to pay the £80 due to the time it took for them to respond and the crew were guilty.
In all honesty I would pay the £40 and spit ! The reason being that they do have the evidence and you are unlikely to be not guilty. Its crap I know !
Congestion tax soon aswell !! Feckers !
Cheers
Mark
Johno I understand where you are coming from, especially from a corporate point of view. There is an alternative though. FFS you are in a position to cause these bastards some real shit. After all beer is the third most important indulgance on the planet, its been assisting ugly people to have sex for centuries. So go on complain,just do it.
As a company we wrote to our blessed Mr Livingstone stating our concerns over the congestion tax along with thousands of others...
All I can say is at least the charge for commercial vehicles has come down from the original £15 to £5. We have 2 depots covering the areas inside the 'charge area' as its called. The impact on cost for us is significant but for small firms it is crippling.
The tax should be levvied at the private car driver who has the option to take the tube/bus/train/taxi etc in the city.
For businesses that rely on vehicles to conduct their trade its outrageous.
We then get the argument that we should conduct our business during the evening and over night ! Barring the noise abatement areas and the fact that I don't know a pub who wants his beer delivery in the wee small hours you are a little stumped !!
As for arguing your case with bus lanes and parking tickets, we do. But in my experience you inevitably end up paying in the end.
I do also agree that we do not pursue very case, or with the commitment that an individual may give in the same situation.
Off my soap box now !
Mark
All I can say is at least the charge for commercial vehicles has come down from the original £15 to £5. We have 2 depots covering the areas inside the 'charge area' as its called. The impact on cost for us is significant but for small firms it is crippling.
The tax should be levvied at the private car driver who has the option to take the tube/bus/train/taxi etc in the city.
For businesses that rely on vehicles to conduct their trade its outrageous.
We then get the argument that we should conduct our business during the evening and over night ! Barring the noise abatement areas and the fact that I don't know a pub who wants his beer delivery in the wee small hours you are a little stumped !!
As for arguing your case with bus lanes and parking tickets, we do. But in my experience you inevitably end up paying in the end.
I do also agree that we do not pursue very case, or with the commitment that an individual may give in the same situation.
Off my soap box now !
Mark
What really gets on my tits about the congestion charge is that it's conveniently timed to clobber people coming into town for a late evening out, where there might not be the option to use the tube/train on the way home.
So if I come into town early evening, I have to pay the five quid, despite that fact that I have no other damn option because public transport is either unavailable or deeply unsavoury (last train home from Kings X to Cambridge, anyone?) at the time of night I'm returning. That pisses me right off, especially given that the tax is supposed to deter unnecessary commuting to work.
So if I come into town early evening, I have to pay the five quid, despite that fact that I have no other damn option because public transport is either unavailable or deeply unsavoury (last train home from Kings X to Cambridge, anyone?) at the time of night I'm returning. That pisses me right off, especially given that the tax is supposed to deter unnecessary commuting to work.
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The tax should be levvied at the private car driver who has the option to take the tube/bus/train/taxi etc in the city.
For businesses that rely on vehicles to conduct their trade its outrageous.
Mark
Mark
I am now depressed. What is required here is to give red Ken a good kicking nad keep on doing it until the bugger gets the message. I will not pay the congestion charge and I always drive in bus lanes because I question these sh@theads authority to implement them. If you are a big company you can afford to employ someone on the basis of the saving made to just defend every case. Why should all the levey be on the private motorist. What we need to happen is that the city cenres die as a result of the green stupidity. When people £5M appartments start cahgeing hands for £20 there will be a backlash and the green filth will get thrown out on their arses. We must all therefore do our bit to encourge and speed up the backlash.
Well, anyone who voted for that lunatic Livingstone gets all they deserve - you were warned at the time and yet you voted for him just to piss BLiar off..
Livingstone's ascendance was the deciding factor in me selling up and leaving London - That and (IMO) it's a bloody awful place to live unless you can afford a £1m property.
Livingstone's ascendance was the deciding factor in me selling up and leaving London - That and (IMO) it's a bloody awful place to live unless you can afford a £1m property.
vteclimey
Pay up now - me and the wife went down the route of appeal against a fine (parking mind you) - went all the way to the Ombudsman - basically took 6 - 9 months, wrote loads of letters, wasted time and still had to pay up at the end.
You won't win - not that thats a reason in itself to just roll over and play dead - but to save yourself a lot of hassle pay up the dosh now and move on
Pay up now - me and the wife went down the route of appeal against a fine (parking mind you) - went all the way to the Ombudsman - basically took 6 - 9 months, wrote loads of letters, wasted time and still had to pay up at the end.
You won't win - not that thats a reason in itself to just roll over and play dead - but to save yourself a lot of hassle pay up the dosh now and move on
Whilst I agree with some of the above comments, I would be prepared to pay a great deal not to have to share roads with numpties - who are going to decide that public transport is the better option anyway.
Actually, I'm in favour of toll motorways, too, provided (as they'll be private roads) the speed limit is placed at something sensible, like 90mph.
I don't give a rats about the congestion charge as I'm nearly always on two wheels in town (and therefore won't pay it). The only downside as far as I can see is that there'll be a lot more people on two wheels so parking will be even more of a nightmare than it is now.
Actually, I'm in favour of toll motorways, too, provided (as they'll be private roads) the speed limit is placed at something sensible, like 90mph.
I don't give a rats about the congestion charge as I'm nearly always on two wheels in town (and therefore won't pay it). The only downside as far as I can see is that there'll be a lot more people on two wheels so parking will be even more of a nightmare than it is now.
quote:A quality bit of optimism that... if numptidom were analogous with being poor then you might have something, but look at how frequently people here complain about the numpty behaviour of drivers of BMWs, SUVs etc which are all representitive of a degree of wealth..
Whilst I agree with some of the above comments, I would be prepared to pay a great deal not to have to share roads with numpties - who are going to decide that public transport is the better option anyway.
quote:Yeah - I'm *potentially* in favour of toll motorways - but the whole scheme would have to be implemented properly, and as you stated have a decent speed limit. And what are the chances of any of that in the UK, whichever lot are in power? Practically none I'd say...
Actually, I'm in favour of toll motorways, too, provided (as they'll be private roads) the speed limit is placed at something sensible, like 90mph.
quote:A bit selfish that, old bean don't you think? Still, a fair trade-off for running the risk of almost certain death on a bike anywhere in the charging zone I suppose..
I don't give a rats about the congestion charge as I'm nearly always on two wheels in town (and therefore won't pay it).
quote:Surely if the numbers confirm your assumption, some car spaces will be converted to m/c spaces - you'd get 3 or 4 of the latter for every one of the former I would have thought... ?
The only downside as far as I can see is that there'll be a lot more people on two wheels so parking will be even more of a nightmare than it is now.
I've had two experiences of this (but parking, not bus lanes) and they both have happy endings. But both times, I sent a cheque for the lower amount and appealed at the same time.
The first was when I received a demand for the higher amount. My argument was that no ticket had been served and therefore I didn't have chance to pay the 14 day amount. I know the ticket wasn't served because I drove away before the lying b@st@rd could serve it. I got away with the lower amount.
The second was a ticket on my bike which was illegally parked in the City (although I didn't think it was illegally parked...pavement lights, what is the definition of a footway in the Act etc etc snore). Again, I sent the minimum amount and appealed. This time they sent an explanation of why I was illegally parked, a don't do it again warning....and a full refund
My advice is pay the minimum amount, but appeal and ask to see the evidence.
The first was when I received a demand for the higher amount. My argument was that no ticket had been served and therefore I didn't have chance to pay the 14 day amount. I know the ticket wasn't served because I drove away before the lying b@st@rd could serve it. I got away with the lower amount.
The second was a ticket on my bike which was illegally parked in the City (although I didn't think it was illegally parked...pavement lights, what is the definition of a footway in the Act etc etc snore). Again, I sent the minimum amount and appealed. This time they sent an explanation of why I was illegally parked, a don't do it again warning....and a full refund
My advice is pay the minimum amount, but appeal and ask to see the evidence.
quote:Quite so.. hence my reticence..
You can be sure that any private toll motorways will have the same speed limits as everywhere else and they'll definately have speed cameras / timing between toll booths to generate extra revenue for the company [Virgin Roads (TM) anyone?] operating the road.
Agree, but if you take the Birmingham Northern Relief Road for example, I'd sooner pay some company a couple of quid if I was going north during the rush hour. Almost every day now the queue north stretches from about J4a through to 10. This is about 20 miles of stop start traffic.
Now, I always try and use my time as best I can in this situation (like make business calls, call my mother etc), but I'd sooner pay my toll, obey a speed limit and sail past all the traffic.
Now, I always try and use my time as best I can in this situation (like make business calls, call my mother etc), but I'd sooner pay my toll, obey a speed limit and sail past all the traffic.
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