Is this deal for a canon 1000d worth going for?
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Have a quite an informal wedding to go to (my older brother) and I intend to do the family photos. Up until now my I've been reasonably happy with my FujiFilm FinePix S5600 with its "5MP Super CCD" & x10 zoom that I got back in Jan 2007 for what at the time was a bargain £109. Even if I was hankering after a D70/350D at the time of that purchase.
Would this 1000D be a suitable camera and lens for my wedding needs Canon 1000d deal, bearing in mind that while I've found the zoom on my current camera very useful, I have always found that it doesn't quite cut it for getting everyone in the picture for a group photo. I'm also not entirely sure that this is the correct IS lens that seems to be getting reasonable reviews in the odd Computer mag (as opposed to photography mag). I've a reservation for this deal until tomorrow.
And if it is suitable, what should be my next lens purchase be, bearing in mind I really do like the ability to use my current x10 zoom and also that my Mrs is not going to like me spending ANY money on glass. i.e. is there a must have cheapish lens that would complement the kit lens. Of course feel free to refer to more exotic glass and why I should have it, I've £2 on Saturdays Lottery. :-)
I love photography, but I'm not very good at it and only seem to get one good photo (something I don't need to manipulate) in a couple of hundred shots, if that.
Would this 1000D be a suitable camera and lens for my wedding needs Canon 1000d deal, bearing in mind that while I've found the zoom on my current camera very useful, I have always found that it doesn't quite cut it for getting everyone in the picture for a group photo. I'm also not entirely sure that this is the correct IS lens that seems to be getting reasonable reviews in the odd Computer mag (as opposed to photography mag). I've a reservation for this deal until tomorrow.
And if it is suitable, what should be my next lens purchase be, bearing in mind I really do like the ability to use my current x10 zoom and also that my Mrs is not going to like me spending ANY money on glass. i.e. is there a must have cheapish lens that would complement the kit lens. Of course feel free to refer to more exotic glass and why I should have it, I've £2 on Saturdays Lottery. :-)
I love photography, but I'm not very good at it and only seem to get one good photo (something I don't need to manipulate) in a couple of hundred shots, if that.
I've not used that camera but I'm sure it's will do the job well. Obviously more expensive cameras will have more features and better performance but I think that one will do fine for most situations.
Judging by the photo it isn't the IS lens. Besides not having IS, the optical performance of the non-IS version is supposedly not as good. However, I have that lens and have taken lots of photos I liked with it. It is reasonably wide-angle: 18mm on that camera gives you a 35mm equivalent of 28mm vs a 35mm equivalent of 38mm on your current camera's widest setting. It won't go anywhere near as long as your camera though, so you may find that you want a telephoto lens which will probably be around £200. A 50mm prime lens is also a commonly recommended because it allows you to use higher shutter speeds and blur the background and foreground giving a pleasant, 'arty' appearance. That costs about £80. For a wedding a flashgun will probably be very useful and this will cost about £200.
As you can see, the cost easily racks up but all these things can be bought second-hand for less. Also, this sort of kit is always in demand and holds its value pretty well.
Having said all that, a wedding is quite a difficult thing to photograph because besides have to get your head around doing the artistic and technical bits correctly, you've got to fit this around what everyone else is doing without and there's no second chances. If you're not confident with using your kit or just with photography in general, especially flash photography, you might find you're not pleased with the results. Annoying if it's just you you're trying to please, doubly so if other people have got expectations of you. I don't mean to sound too discouraging and an SLR camera is a great way to learn how to improve, but beware that it can take a lot of practice to do something like a wedding well.
Judging by the photo it isn't the IS lens. Besides not having IS, the optical performance of the non-IS version is supposedly not as good. However, I have that lens and have taken lots of photos I liked with it. It is reasonably wide-angle: 18mm on that camera gives you a 35mm equivalent of 28mm vs a 35mm equivalent of 38mm on your current camera's widest setting. It won't go anywhere near as long as your camera though, so you may find that you want a telephoto lens which will probably be around £200. A 50mm prime lens is also a commonly recommended because it allows you to use higher shutter speeds and blur the background and foreground giving a pleasant, 'arty' appearance. That costs about £80. For a wedding a flashgun will probably be very useful and this will cost about £200.
As you can see, the cost easily racks up but all these things can be bought second-hand for less. Also, this sort of kit is always in demand and holds its value pretty well.
Having said all that, a wedding is quite a difficult thing to photograph because besides have to get your head around doing the artistic and technical bits correctly, you've got to fit this around what everyone else is doing without and there's no second chances. If you're not confident with using your kit or just with photography in general, especially flash photography, you might find you're not pleased with the results. Annoying if it's just you you're trying to please, doubly so if other people have got expectations of you. I don't mean to sound too discouraging and an SLR camera is a great way to learn how to improve, but beware that it can take a lot of practice to do something like a wedding well.
I fear your kit is fine for everyday stuff, but not really for weddings. You don't need IS (it won't stop people moving) and you don't need 'x10 zoom' because your shutter speed will be too slow to do anything useful.
The body is not what will make the difference. What will make the difference is fast (eg f2.8) lenses - so you can operate in low ambient light and still have a fast enough shutter speed to be useful - and a powerful flash for other times. If all you want to take is general shots outside, then you'll be OK with a good compact, the problems will begin when you move indoors.
The body is not what will make the difference. What will make the difference is fast (eg f2.8) lenses - so you can operate in low ambient light and still have a fast enough shutter speed to be useful - and a powerful flash for other times. If all you want to take is general shots outside, then you'll be OK with a good compact, the problems will begin when you move indoors.
Well when I say informal, I mean really informal, BBQ in their back garden, and a pool competition, with plenty of lemonade for the kids and booze for the adults, so they would probably be happy with snapshots from their compact camera, having both previously done the wedding thing quite a number of years ago.
(If my Mrs is reading this, stop reading now)
I just want a better camera than what I've got and if it can get one under the auspices of a wedding and getting good pictures then why not. Also Oldbanger really gives me what I perceive to be the 3rd degree, if she thinks I'm wasting money on anything that isn't warranted. As I also want to have better shots of my daughter, then I reckon I've a strong case for arguing I'm not wasting money.
edited as my laptop mouse has a mind of its own.
(If my Mrs is reading this, stop reading now)
I just want a better camera than what I've got and if it can get one under the auspices of a wedding and getting good pictures then why not. Also Oldbanger really gives me what I perceive to be the 3rd degree, if she thinks I'm wasting money on anything that isn't warranted. As I also want to have better shots of my daughter, then I reckon I've a strong case for arguing I'm not wasting money.
edited as my laptop mouse has a mind of its own.
Edited by thepeoplespal on Friday 26th June 23:22
SamHH said:
Judging by the photo it isn't the IS lens. Besides not having IS, the optical performance of the non-IS version is supposedly not as good. However, I have that lens and have taken lots of photos I liked with it. It is reasonably wide-angle: 18mm on that camera gives you a 35mm equivalent of 28mm vs a 35mm equivalent of 38mm on your current camera's widest setting.
Is there a way I can tell the difference between the two? And is it a good deal at £342? If it isn't an IS the review I read and price in Aug 2009 Computer Shopper is rather naughty & misleading. SamHH said:
As you can see, the cost easily racks up but all these things can be bought second-hand for less. Also, this sort of kit is always in demand and holds its value pretty well.
Where though? have tried finding 2nd hand kit but don't see a good source in my googling.thepeoplespal said:
Is there a way I can tell the difference between the two? And is it a good deal at £342? If it isn't an IS the review I read and price in Aug 2009 Computer Shopper is rather naughty & misleading.
Well the link you posted doesn't say it's the IS lens and the lens in the picture doesn't have IS written on it whereas the IS lens does. I just looked around though and found this which clearly is the IS lens:http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5...
thepeoplespal said:
Where though? have tried finding 2nd hand kit but don't see a good source in my googling.
eBay is the place where I've found the most stuff from private sellers. Obviously you have to take the risk that comes with buying stuff from eBay. I've bought a couple of relatively cheap lenses from there and they've both been fine but I'd be reticent about buying more expensive stuff. There is an official Canon outlet that sells refurbished Canon equipment on eBay as well. It isn't Canon UK who operate it but another company who have been granted the 'official' title. I think some people on this forum have bought cameras from them, although when I've looked the prices don't seem to be that much of a bargain.There are some other companies that sell second hand stuff:
http://www.harrisoncameras.co.uk/productlist.kmod?...
http://www.mxv.co.uk/stock.html
https://secure.ffordes.com/index.htm
http://www.mpbphotographic.co.uk/
Of those, MPB Photographic is the only one I have bought from and I would recommend them.
Also, this site is pretty good for comparing new equipment costs:
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/
Edited by SamHH on Saturday 27th June 10:48
SamHH said:
thepeoplespal said:
Is there a way I can tell the difference between the two? And is it a good deal at £342? If it isn't an IS the review I read and price in Aug 2009 Computer Shopper is rather naughty & misleading.
Well the link you posted doesn't say it's the IS lens and the lens in the picture doesn't have IS written on it whereas the IS lens does. I just looked around though and found this which clearly is the IS lens:http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5...
thepeoplespal said:
Where though? have tried finding 2nd hand kit but don't see a good source in my googling.
eBay is the place where I've found the most stuff from private sellers. Obviously you have to take the risk that comes with buying stuff from eBay. I've bought a couple of relatively cheap lenses from there and they've both been fine but I'd be reticent about buying more expensive stuff. There is an official Canon outlet that sells refurbished Canon equipment on eBay as well. It isn't Canon UK who operate it but another company who have been granted the 'official' title. I think some people on this forum have bought cameras from them, although when I've looked the prices don't seem to be that much of a bargain.There are some other companies that sell second hand stuff:
http://www.harrisoncameras.co.uk/productlist.kmod?...
http://www.mxv.co.uk/stock.html
https://secure.ffordes.com/index.htm
http://www.mpbphotographic.co.uk/
Of those, MPB Photographic is the only one I have bought from and I would recommend them.
Also, this site is pretty good for comparing new equipment costs:
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/
Edited by SamHH on Saturday 27th June 10:48
Thanks for the links, it is hard to sort out the wheat from the chaf.
Edited by thepeoplespal on Sunday 28th June 20:05
Update - went and viewed said item and contrary to the video footage of the item on the Argos website and the review on Aug 09 Computer Shopper, the deal did not have an "IS" on the end of the Lens.
Now I'm not sure what the difference in the cost of the "IS Lens" as opposed to the ordinary one, or the difference in the quality of any photos, the lens I saw was very light with no "IS" on the end. Anyone care to comment.
Now I'm not sure what the difference in the cost of the "IS Lens" as opposed to the ordinary one, or the difference in the quality of any photos, the lens I saw was very light with no "IS" on the end. Anyone care to comment.
thepeoplespal said:
Now I'm not sure what the difference in the cost of the "IS Lens" as opposed to the ordinary one, or the difference in the quality of any photos, the lens I saw was very light with no "IS" on the end. Anyone care to comment.
Canon have 2 kit lens's.The old one, as shipped with the 300D etc, non IS.
The new one, with IS , shipped with the 450D, 500D and sometimes 1000D.
The old one is distinctly average at best and downright poor at worst.
The new one produces acceptable results AND has IS so you can use it in more favorable circumstances.
I would 100% plumb for a pack with the new IS kit lens, its worth having, unlike the old one.
Price difference isn't huge but the 1000D is a budget body so it got bundled with the cheaper non IS lens also.
Got fed up not being able to get the IS lens with the 1000D so went for 450D Twin IS lens kit. Some of the pictures are to my mind quite impressive, nothing I'd like to post, but better than I have ever got before.
I can see why people don't use the live view mode though on the 450D, it is so much hassle to set up and has to be reset every time you take a picture, unless some one knows better than I.
I can see why people don't use the live view mode though on the 450D, it is so much hassle to set up and has to be reset every time you take a picture, unless some one knows better than I.
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