Are they rich?
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Question for a friend...
They were employed by a council for around 1 year and they worked with 2 colleagues.
My friend suspected that their (and their colleauges') pay grade was incorrect, and started a process to get it re-graded.
They moved on to another job about 10 months ago, and the 2 colleagues who stayed behind took over the process of trying to get the job re-graded.
A few of months ago, they were successful. The council agreed the job grade was wrong for the work being done, and the job was re-graded with a 50%(!) pay increase.
Last week, they were successful in getting the increase back-dated to when they started work.
Now, as my friend worked there for a year with the incorrectly graded salary - should she be getting a backdated payment for the time she was there?
They were employed by a council for around 1 year and they worked with 2 colleagues.
My friend suspected that their (and their colleauges') pay grade was incorrect, and started a process to get it re-graded.
They moved on to another job about 10 months ago, and the 2 colleagues who stayed behind took over the process of trying to get the job re-graded.
A few of months ago, they were successful. The council agreed the job grade was wrong for the work being done, and the job was re-graded with a 50%(!) pay increase.
Last week, they were successful in getting the increase back-dated to when they started work.
Now, as my friend worked there for a year with the incorrectly graded salary - should she be getting a backdated payment for the time she was there?
Someone I did a lot of work with in a midlands City Council went through the pay grade process. Graded her pay DOWN and left her thousands out of pocket. Her colleagues were also downgraded and as a result the whole lot of them left. Not surprising really, but they all managed to double their salary by going to the commercial sector - and they were downgraded. Out of touch? Not 'arf.
Nicely taken out of context Soovy.
Does it help if I say that even after the increase they are still the lowest paying council for this job in the country?
The pay before was silly. It was a graduate type job and they were glad to get it close to home - they were not aware at the time that every other council graded the job differently with at least a 50% higher salary.
"Are they rich" is somewhat tongue in cheek and the sum we are talking about here is not very significant, but would help them out.
Does it help if I say that even after the increase they are still the lowest paying council for this job in the country?
The pay before was silly. It was a graduate type job and they were glad to get it close to home - they were not aware at the time that every other council graded the job differently with at least a 50% higher salary.
"Are they rich" is somewhat tongue in cheek and the sum we are talking about here is not very significant, but would help them out.
off_again said:
Someone I did a lot of work with in a midlands City Council went through the pay grade process. Graded her pay DOWN and left her thousands out of pocket. Her colleagues were also downgraded and as a result the whole lot of them left. Not surprising really, but they all managed to double their salary by going to the commercial sector - and they were downgraded. Out of touch? Not 'arf.
That happened recently in (I think) Bolton. They had someone on the local news who had worked there for about 15years and had been put back to the same salary as she started on.50% rise as the OP is talking about does seem rather dramatic - normally these adjustments are pretty minor.
Deva Link said:
50% rise as the OP is talking about does seem rather dramatic - normally these adjustments are pretty minor.
Yes and after the rise they are still on the absolute base salary, although in the correct grade.Her current salary was more than a 100% increase.
Just to emphasise nobody is being greedy here - it was genuinely an incorrectly graded job.
Famous Graham said:
Or maybe I should go back to every one of my previous employers and ask for recompense for the disparity between today's salaries and those when I was working for them 
Did you initiate a grievance procedure to get your job re-graded in every one of your previous jobs?aa_z01 said:
Famous Graham said:
Or maybe I should go back to every one of my previous employers and ask for recompense for the disparity between today's salaries and those when I was working for them
Did you initiate a grievance procedure to get your job re-graded in every one of your previous jobs?You forgot to quote my first paragraph, by the way, about them knowing the salary when they took the job
aa_z01 said:
Deva Link said:
50% rise as the OP is talking about does seem rather dramatic - normally these adjustments are pretty minor.
Yes and after the rise they are still on the absolute base salary, although in the correct grade.Her current salary was more than a 100% increase.
Just to emphasise nobody is being greedy here - it was genuinely an incorrectly graded job.
oyster said:
Am I being thick? She took the job and she KNEW the salary when she took it. What on earth is the issue?
It is very noble of those of you who would refuse back-dated pay if your employer offered it to you! 
My friend's colleagues received back-dated pay for the period during which she was employed there and during which she initiated the grievance procedure.
Hold on, better quote Famous Graham too so as not to offend him further
:Famous Graham said:
Presumably they knew the salary when they took the job, so it's irrelevant what figure it NOW provides.
Edited by aa_z01 on Tuesday 12th May 12:12
Ha ha - this is a feckin laugh, if you have left service then I very much doubt you can go to yoru previous employer and ask for more money.
when I worked in the Civil Service I did benefit from an across the board adjustment to consolidate grades, and as you expect, none were adjusted downwards of course.
I suppose it's Karma, as I'm not laughing quite as much now I'm in the private sector, as I'm not the highest paid in my team (that I manage) by any means (they're not fee earning or commission based either), and my management, in short, have said "tough".
when I worked in the Civil Service I did benefit from an across the board adjustment to consolidate grades, and as you expect, none were adjusted downwards of course.
I suppose it's Karma, as I'm not laughing quite as much now I'm in the private sector, as I'm not the highest paid in my team (that I manage) by any means (they're not fee earning or commission based either), and my management, in short, have said "tough".
Edited by prand on Tuesday 12th May 12:19
prand said:
Ha ha - this is a feckin laugh, if you have left service then I very much doubt you can go to yoru previous employer and ask for more money.
You may very much doubt it, but you would be mistaken.I believe there is a time period after ceasing employment where this is a legal option - 3 months possibly.
This has come and gone, not unlike the quality of replies on this thread!
I've 'worked' extensively in the Public Sector.
Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
I went through a job evaluation where I was adjudged to be around 30% out of pocket for my job, the process took around 12 months and I was back dated pay from when I started the role.
Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
I went through a job evaluation where I was adjudged to be around 30% out of pocket for my job, the process took around 12 months and I was back dated pay from when I started the role.
f13ldy said:
Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
That's exactly what happened with our lot, although there's a three-year limit. So you stay frozen on your current salary for three years, and after that you go on to the 'correct' salary, which by then may or may not have increased to match what you were on before.jamieboy said:
f13ldy said:
Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
That's exactly what happened with our lot, although there's a three-year limit. So you stay frozen on your current salary for three years, and after that you go on to the 'correct' salary, which by then may or may not have increased to match what you were on before.Mrs DL works in the civil service and her pay was cut when she moved departments - everything else carries over, length of service for holidays and pension etc, but she had to go to her new job on the entry level grade and that was a chunky pay-cut.
f13ldy said:
I've 'worked' extensively in the Public Sector.
Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
Indeed, all those 0% increases and pay cuts bandied about in the private sector are very enviable, I'm sure any minute now civil servants will be striking again to get their hands on them. Typical public sector bubble-world thinking.Salaries aren't just cut over night, you are put on marked time, meaning you don't get a pay rise until your yearly increases make your predicted salary, level with your actual salary. This can take years as the public sector generally get only 3% compared to the wild %s bandied about in the private sector.
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