Why don't aircraft tyres explode?

Why don't aircraft tyres explode?

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Bushmaster

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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At altitude?

Is there a pressure regulator, are they just so unbelievable strong, doesn't the wheel well leave any room for expansion or is the wheel well pressurised too?

Ithankyou.


Carreauchompeur

18,196 posts

219 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Can we have some parameters here- How fast is the conveyor belt moving, and is the engine remapped?

knight

5,225 posts

294 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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They are inflated with nitrogen

Dogwatch

6,323 posts

237 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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If you can withstand the force of an aircraft landing I don't suppose the lower air pressure at altitude is much of a problem.

Bushmaster

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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knight said:
They are inflated with nitrogen
Thank you for your input, that would be the perfect answer (to a different question).



does that sound harsh? didn't mean to be harsh. I think it's too harsh.



Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 22 March 11:51

DIW35

4,168 posts

215 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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It would be no different to over inflating your car tyres by a few PSI. I'd be extremely worried if the built in tolerances meant they were in danger of exploding at that level of over inflation.

FourWheelDrift

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299 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Google is your friend.

Aircraft tyres are usually inflated with nitrogen or helium in order to minimize expansion and contraction from extreme changes in ambient temperature and pressure experienced during flight. Dry nitrogen expands at the same rate as other dry atmospheric gases, but common compressed air sources may contain moisture, which increases the expansion rate with temperature. Aircraft tyres generally operate at high pressures, up to 200 psi (13.8 bar) for airliners, and even higher for business jets. Tests of airline aircraft tyres have shown that they are able to sustain pressures of maximum 800 psi (55.2 bar) before bursting. During the test the tires have to be filled with water, instead of helium or nitrogen which is the common content of aircraft tires, to prevent the test room being blown apart by the pressure when the tire bursts.

Aircraft tyres also include heat fuses, designed to melt at a certain temperature. Tyres often overheat if maximum braking is applied during a rejected take off or an emergency landing. The fuses provide a safer failure mode that prevents tyre explosions by deflating in a controlled manner, thus minimizing damage to aircraft and objects in the surrounding environment.

The main purpose of requiring that an inert gas, such as nitrogen, be used instead of air, for inflation of tyres on certain transport category aircraft is prompted by at least three cases in which the oxygen in air-filled tyres combined with volatile gases given off by a severely overheated tyre and exploded upon reaching autoignition temperature. The use of an inert gas for tyre inflation will eliminate the possibility of a tyre explosion

knight

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Bushmaster said:
knight said:
They are inflated with nitrogen
Thank you for your input, that would be the perfect answer (to a different question).



does that sound harsh? didn't mean to be harsh. I think it's too harsh.



Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 22 March 11:51
Well it was the answer to the question asked! Doesn't really matter where the tyres are, they don't explode due to being inflated with nitrogen. There is no pressure regulator nor are the wheel wells pressurised. In fact the valve on the wheel is pretty much the same that you'd find on a car tyre (it's a schrader valve)

otolith

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219 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Not filling them with anything that will undergo a phase change over the tyre's range of operating temperatures helps (ie, a dried gas not containing water vapour), and using an inert gas overcomes a small risk of explosion due to the combustion of gases out-gassed from overheated rubber, but I don't think it likely that tyres filled with ordinary compressed air would fail either.

Why does the op imagine that they should burst?

thinfourth2

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219 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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lets say on the ground they are at 10bar (gauge) which is 11bar absolute but it is measured as 10 bar as you have 1 bar pushing in on the tyre

Now take the tyre into space where there is no pressure you have 11bar pressure gauge and 11bar absolute as you have zero pressure pushing inwards

So it has only gone up 1 bar or 14.5psi so not a huge amount

Wadeski

8,670 posts

228 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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indeed, and the weight of the aircraft on the tires probably causes a lot more stress than any pressure change.

Bushmaster

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Didn't think they would explode but that they would expand, which may cause issues. IIRC if a helium balloon is released into the atmosphere it will rise until it expands so much it pops, no?

anonymous-user

69 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Don't they employ dwarfs to sit in the undercarriage and let the air out after take off and then blow them back up again for landing?

philthy

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Hammerwerfer

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Bushmaster said:
Didn't think they would explode but that they would expand, which may cause issues. IIRC if a helium balloon is released into the atmosphere it will rise until it expands so much it pops, no?
The rubber carcase of any tyre is reinforced with very strong cords. These keep the tyre from expanding.

Edited by Hammerwerfer on Sunday 22 March 13:58

IforB

9,840 posts

244 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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knight said:
Bushmaster said:
knight said:
They are inflated with nitrogen
Thank you for your input, that would be the perfect answer (to a different question).



does that sound harsh? didn't mean to be harsh. I think it's too harsh.



Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 22 March 11:51
Well it was the answer to the question asked! Doesn't really matter where the tyres are, they don't explode due to being inflated with nitrogen. There is no pressure regulator nor are the wheel wells pressurised. In fact the valve on the wheel is pretty much the same that you'd find on a car tyre (it's a schrader valve)
The fact that the tyres are filled with notrogen has naff all to do with why they don't explode. They are strong and can cope with far greater differential pressures than simply taking it up to altitude. Nitrogen helps for all the reasons already mentioned, but it is not the specific reason why the tyres don't go pop at altitude.

IforB

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Sunday 22nd March 2009
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garyhun said:
Don't they employ dwarfs to sit in the undercarriage and let the air out after take off and then blow them back up again for landing?
Yes, special eskimo dwarves who can cope with the low temperature. They spend years training them up at altitude before they get their big break with an airline.

Oilchange

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275 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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that vid sums it up really they are Super tough, imagine 4 main wheels and 2 smaller nose wheels on a Hercules at maximum design all up weight of 79,300 kg taxiing about the place.
Max landing weight iirc is 61,200kg so rather a lot of weight thumping down on not many tyres...

Semi hemi

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Monday 6th April 2009
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Slightly o/t but in '96 I had the chance to do some skydives out of a Ilyushin 76 in Russia, the tyres were showing various layers of canvas through the rubber, like the rings in a tree trunk.. I asked the pilot if this was ok. He shrugged and said "Niet problemski", We, on the other hand were really glad we were not going to be around for the landings

Oilchange

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275 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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not uncommon. there are loads of rings built in to Herc tyres and when you can see more than about two thirds the tyres is unservicable.

don't quote me on the exact numbers though.