Is this why business is screwed in the UK?

[johnfm]

Surely, this can't be how to encourage business and generate employment:


Wetherspoons:

"Tim Martin, the chairman, said the high level of tax being levied on the trade was “contributing to the closure of pubs in record numbers”.

He said each of Wetherspoon’s pubs generated average taxes of £530,000 but earned only £50,000 in after-tax profits."



from here:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/ind...

[anonymous-user]

tax tax tax tax tax tax.

[10 Pence Short]

They choose to sell the beer at the margins they do. It's hardly a secret that a large portion of their stock sales are direct taxation, either.

[vxr8mate]

I spoke to a licencee only 2 days who resigned his lease on his pub - reason Punch wanted to put another £1500 on the rent! All this talk of taxation is a bit of a smoke screen to hide the costs being past on to Landlords, by the likes of Punch and Weatherspoons IMO.

[Eric Mc]

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

[chris.mapey]

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

Agree wholeheartedly. They have ruined many a town centre.

IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT PRICE...

I want a bit of "character" from my boozer, not one full of social misfits drinking whatever is on offer instead of buying deodorant...

Don't even get me started on the food. How does anyone seriously think that two curries for £5 is going to be good food (or even good value)

It's very sad to see shortdated beer being sold for £1 a pint near other pubs that stock decent dated beer and are having to pay £2 per pint for it, before their mark-up.

[G_T]

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

I'm with Eric on this one as well I'm afraid.

If your local butcher's closes down who do you blame? The government or the ASDA that was built around the corner?

[DamoLLb]

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

[phil1979]

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

My arse. There are loads of local pubs round my way, but most of them take the piss.

[anonymous-user]

phil1979 said:

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

My arse. There are loads of local pubs round my way, but most of them take the piss.

Yep. The one that sells @ £3.60 a pint is packed!

[tr7v8]

chris.mapey said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

Agree wholeheartedly. They have ruined many a town centre.

IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT PRICE...

I want a bit of "character" from my boozer, not one full of social misfits drinking whatever is on offer instead of buying deodorant...

Don't even get me started on the food. How does anyone seriously think that two curries for £5 is going to be good food (or even good value)

It's very sad to see shortdated beer being sold for £1 a pint near other pubs that stock decent dated beer and are having to pay £2 per pint for it, before their mark-up.

Dunno about their curries but their breakkies are good & reasonable value. Travelling as much as I do they are a godsend when I want to eat.
As for beer surely beer doesn't have a sell by date? Beer is alcohol so doesn't go off as such unless badly treated.

[DamoLLb]

Dave_ST220 said:

phil1979 said:

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

My arse. There are loads of local pubs round my way, but most of them take the piss.

Yep. The one that sells @ £3.60 a pint is packed!

hmmm. Perhaps it has worked in your local pubs favour then. punters pay a premium to avoid the chav scum accepting that the extra quid a pint will put chavs off.

The real thing that has affected my local is the smoking ban....but thats a whole new can of worms

[Mattygooner]

The WS pubs in the city are selling Stella for £3.30, it's not a rip off but not exactly cheapo.

Or are you suggesting that the economy is fecked because everyone is at the pub getting pickled on taxable beverages?

Edited by Mattygooner on Friday 13th March 16:10

[anonymous-user]

So i'm "Chav scum"?

[DamoLLb]

Dave_ST220 said:

So i'm "Chav scum"?

I didn't say that

[catso]

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

It wouldn't be £3.60 were it not for the high tax take.

[anonymous-user]

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

So i'm "Chav scum"?

I didn't say that

I knnow, i was jesting Most of the JD's here are fine but i understand they do attarct the "wrong sort"

[anonymous-user]

catso said:

DamoLLb said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Eric Mc said:

I would suggest that large chains like Wetherspoons have done more to damage the traditional pub in England than the government.

How? By suppling drink people can afford? £1.85 a pint or £3.60(which is a bloody piss take for a country side pub in Shropshire IMO), not a hard choice.

thats just it. It wouldnt be £3.60 a pint if more people drank in a 'local'

It wouldn't be £3.60 were it not for the high tax take.

What is tax on a pint there days? Are we talking similar % to petrol for instance!!

[john_p]

What probably does the pub industry just as much damage is those pubs selling the same stty food as Weatherspoons for 3x the price.