Interesting take on bikes using one way streets.
Discussion
Original story with insane frothing anticyclist comments here:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-236...
City cyclists take on it:
Hackney is the original home of the 'permeability' approach. It's one
of our most important objectives:
http://www.hackney-cyclists.org.uk/permproj.htm
http://www.hackney-cyclists.org.uk/permeability.ht...
City Cyclists started to campaign for this (among other things) in
2001. If you know how these things work, you'll recognise that there's
a massive shift in approach behind it.
The City of London now has very high levels of cycling indeed and is increasing its responsiveness to the requirements of cycling.
It would be expected that if this works
well, that the approach would be rolled out generally in the City and
perhaps other local authorities will follow suit. In each local
authority area, there are hundreds of cycle permeability restrictions
to remove--access restrictions like street closures, one-way-streets,
and gyratory systems.
http://www.londonfgss.com/thread15782.html
Interesting stuff. If it encourages novice cyclists it can only be a good thing, the trials in Hackney and Brighton brought no problems at all, and it's common in Amsterdam and Berlin. I'd like the signs to be prominent, to avoid idiocy like this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGTbNUucQI&feat...
Taxi drives head on across cyclist's path. Cyclist was heavily laden with 4 pannier bags full of shopping making any kind of avoidance manouvre very difficult. Just plain rude! The street is two way for cyclists, one way for motorists.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-236...
City cyclists take on it:
Hackney is the original home of the 'permeability' approach. It's one
of our most important objectives:
http://www.hackney-cyclists.org.uk/permproj.htm
http://www.hackney-cyclists.org.uk/permeability.ht...
City Cyclists started to campaign for this (among other things) in
2001. If you know how these things work, you'll recognise that there's
a massive shift in approach behind it.
The City of London now has very high levels of cycling indeed and is increasing its responsiveness to the requirements of cycling.
It would be expected that if this works
well, that the approach would be rolled out generally in the City and
perhaps other local authorities will follow suit. In each local
authority area, there are hundreds of cycle permeability restrictions
to remove--access restrictions like street closures, one-way-streets,
and gyratory systems.
http://www.londonfgss.com/thread15782.html
Interesting stuff. If it encourages novice cyclists it can only be a good thing, the trials in Hackney and Brighton brought no problems at all, and it's common in Amsterdam and Berlin. I'd like the signs to be prominent, to avoid idiocy like this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGTbNUucQI&feat...
Taxi drives head on across cyclist's path. Cyclist was heavily laden with 4 pannier bags full of shopping making any kind of avoidance manouvre very difficult. Just plain rude! The street is two way for cyclists, one way for motorists.
I'm a keen cyclist, and a good percentage of cycle traffic on the roads does take very little notice of most traffic regulations.
I'm not too keen on the "One way street" idea since by definition most are fairly narrow, or indeed part of a busy gyratory. Now maybe if physical lanes were built in?
One thing I particularly despise is militant cyclists going out with a helmet cam on provoking trouble
I'm not too keen on the "One way street" idea since by definition most are fairly narrow, or indeed part of a busy gyratory. Now maybe if physical lanes were built in?
One thing I particularly despise is militant cyclists going out with a helmet cam on provoking trouble
"a good percentage of cycle traffic on the roads does take very little notice of most traffic regulations."
I do!
And, weeeeell.
A survey by the RAC found that, yes, a lot of cyclists run red lights.
It also found that one in ten drivers in Manchester and London crossed traffic lights more than three seconds after the lights turned red, and one in five bus drivers ran red lights.
There are ten thousand traffic light camera prosecutions annually in London alone, a small part of the 1.5 million prosecutions annually based on camera evidence (I don't know what proportion are speed versus red lights), in turn the tip of the iceberg of twelve million prosecutions and cautions for motoring offences by UK police forces in 2002.
Lawbreaking, then, is not restricted to bikes.
Motorists break the law in vast numbers.
Speeding, in particular , is rife, and despite the evidence that the faster you go the more likely you are to kill or be killed if you crash, when speed cameras are erected we don't laugh at the idiots who get caught, we rail against the "stealth tax" on motorists.
Gatsos are a stealth tax on motorists in the same way that city centre video cameras are a stealth tax on muggers and DNA testing is a stealth tax on rapists.
Drivers also park illegally, causing danger and inconvenience.
And they fail to observe box junctions (many drivers haven't a clue what these are anyway), they overtake on the inside, they hog the middle lane on motorways, they drive on the pavement and damage it, they use fog lights when it's not foggy or raining, they drive while drunk or stoned or smoking or talking on the phone, they drive with the stereo turned up too loud, they drive looking over their shoulders at screaming children, and they kill and injure over a quarter of a million people a year.
And they seem to think that an annual payment of a hundred and fifty quid gives them a right to do this.
So on the matter of cyclists and illegal behaviour, I quote the well known words of John 8:7 - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bloody_cyclis...
In what way do you think the dangerous overtake I linked to was "provoked" by a camera that I'm pretty sure the driver had no idea was there?
I do!
And, weeeeell.
A survey by the RAC found that, yes, a lot of cyclists run red lights.
It also found that one in ten drivers in Manchester and London crossed traffic lights more than three seconds after the lights turned red, and one in five bus drivers ran red lights.
There are ten thousand traffic light camera prosecutions annually in London alone, a small part of the 1.5 million prosecutions annually based on camera evidence (I don't know what proportion are speed versus red lights), in turn the tip of the iceberg of twelve million prosecutions and cautions for motoring offences by UK police forces in 2002.
Lawbreaking, then, is not restricted to bikes.
Motorists break the law in vast numbers.
Speeding, in particular , is rife, and despite the evidence that the faster you go the more likely you are to kill or be killed if you crash, when speed cameras are erected we don't laugh at the idiots who get caught, we rail against the "stealth tax" on motorists.
Gatsos are a stealth tax on motorists in the same way that city centre video cameras are a stealth tax on muggers and DNA testing is a stealth tax on rapists.
Drivers also park illegally, causing danger and inconvenience.
And they fail to observe box junctions (many drivers haven't a clue what these are anyway), they overtake on the inside, they hog the middle lane on motorways, they drive on the pavement and damage it, they use fog lights when it's not foggy or raining, they drive while drunk or stoned or smoking or talking on the phone, they drive with the stereo turned up too loud, they drive looking over their shoulders at screaming children, and they kill and injure over a quarter of a million people a year.
And they seem to think that an annual payment of a hundred and fifty quid gives them a right to do this.
So on the matter of cyclists and illegal behaviour, I quote the well known words of John 8:7 - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bloody_cyclis...
In what way do you think the dangerous overtake I linked to was "provoked" by a camera that I'm pretty sure the driver had no idea was there?
I actually made it clear that the clip was not filmed by me, and he's not a friend. I have to agree with you though, his "Undertaking on a roundabout" clip is spectacularly lame, the driver did nothing wrong as far as I can see.
The clip I did post shows a cabbie overtaking dangerously, placing someone in danger, then stopping in the middle of the road to argue the point, which would belie his claim to having been held up.
The response is a sack of sxxt, a blatant misrepresentation of what transpired, IMO. Next step is the cops, I would hope.
The clip I did post shows a cabbie overtaking dangerously, placing someone in danger, then stopping in the middle of the road to argue the point, which would belie his claim to having been held up.
The response is a sack of sxxt, a blatant misrepresentation of what transpired, IMO. Next step is the cops, I would hope.
And in Berlin. The weird thing is in Berlin, if you're in a cycle lane (on the right side of the road, obv!) and a car draws up on your right waiting to turn right, THE DRIVER WILL STOP AND WAIT FOR YOU! It's a shock to the system to encounter such courtesy after cycling in England for so long.
I wish motorists had more respect for cyclists in this country but it seems we are third class road users only to be threatened without any comeback on the driver.I commute every day due to being fed up with traffic congestion which most people find amazing seeing as i work for a Porsche dealer ! It is getting worse especially during the winter months when light is bad.I do not condone breaking traffic laws but as already mentioned the cyclists that do do not have a patch on the many motorists who flaunt the law.
I would like to see how other countries treat cyclists and i would proberly fall off with amazment if a car let me go without cutting across me (done many times ! ) I was in Leipzig just over a year ago and i did notice a very good cycle lane system in the city..many away from main traffic lanes but our country does not seem to have the room on the road system to fit such lanes.all we have are crappy painted lines in the pot hole section of the road which is used by bloody cars !
I would like to see how other countries treat cyclists and i would proberly fall off with amazment if a car let me go without cutting across me (done many times ! ) I was in Leipzig just over a year ago and i did notice a very good cycle lane system in the city..many away from main traffic lanes but our country does not seem to have the room on the road system to fit such lanes.all we have are crappy painted lines in the pot hole section of the road which is used by bloody cars !
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