RE: PH Goes for a Spin in a Porsche

RE: PH Goes for a Spin in a Porsche

Wednesday 21st January 2009

PH Goes for a Spin in a Porsche

Porsche recently opened a state-of-the-art driving centre at Silverstone. PistonHeads decided to go back to school...



Ever fancied being forced into an uncontrollable spin in a Porsche 911? Admittedly it doesn’t sound all that appealing but this is one of the main reasons I am at Silverstone on a cold, drizzly day in winter.

Porsche recently opened its state-of-the-art 10.2 hectare Driving Experience Centre, which sits metres from the famous Northamptonshire Grand Prix circuit. The test track is built on the site of the Rally of Great Britain special stage used in 1998 and 1999.

Centre built on old WRC special stage
Centre built on old WRC special stage
The original starting gantry and Michelin cross-over bridge have been amalgamated into the test track design. PistonHeads has been invited down to try the Handling Circuit, which is split into four areas – Kick Plate, Ice Hill, Low Friction Handling Circuit and Off-Road – which all sound suspiciously like levels in a computer game.

But first I get to see the Human Performance department, which has the kind of facilities normally reserved for top-level motorsport drivers. We mere mortals can use the one-to-one instruction to improve stamina, co-ordination and reaction times, which is not only useful for racing but also track days, I'm told. All good stuff but I’m keen to do what it says in the title and get out on the circuit.

Most of the facilities are designed to simulate low-friction surfaces like ice or water, and by now the drizzle has turned into a downpour. Combined with the recycled water being pumped onto parts of the circuit this should make thisngs more ‘interesting’, or more likely better show up my driving inadequacies to put it another way. Unlike other similar driving days the emphasis is on showing people what happens when things go wrong, not just teaching them how to make things go right.


First up is the ‘Kick Plate’ in a new 997 with PDK gearbox. For the day I am accompanied by a supremely calm and patient instructor, who despite my early inability to learn from any of my mistakes seems to always enjoy sharing his expertise. The plate won’t trigger below around 13mph and will flick the rear of the car around either way at random.

The trick is to hit it just above this speed but without staring at the speedo when you do like I am the first time around. Oh, and I’m doing about 23mph. My instructor’s next statement says it all:. ‘You’ll never catch this,’ he says, ‘get ready on the brakes.’ By this point I have spun through 720 degrees and am heading for my next 360.

Spinning is part of the fun
Spinning is part of the fun
Next time around I’m going slower and am more prepared when the car suddenly oversteers to the right. I’m prepared but no amount of frantic opposite lock is enough to stop a spin. I’m told to anticipate the spin and by my third attempt I second-guess it, dialling in enough lock to control the car and stop it revolving on its axis.

A couple more goes and I’m feeling more confident in my abilities. This would seem like a good time to dump me straight back to Earth it seems, so we head to the Ice Hill, a 7% slope that simulates sheet ice with computer controlled water jets that replicate brick walls. For me this is an exercise in complacency.

If you control the 911 past the first water wall, the back end poking out as you clear the apex, then the resulting feeling of heroics will mean one thing and one thing only – the car will spin as you reach the second wall. Controlling this bravado, and driving smoother, means that you can clear the section, but it is tricky.

On to the Low Friction Handling Circuit and I’m starting to appreciate the low speed at which all this car control can be learnt. It suddenly strikes me as mind-boggling to think that people may be faced with these kinds of handling characteristics for the first time in the middle of a greasy bend on a B-road, with no previous experience.

I’m quite happy with 20mph and a decent run-off thanks very much. The aforementioned low friction track is made up of a small twisty section with polished limestone bends that create a perfect environment for oversteer. Sounds like fun, and I can confirm it is. The first go is pathetic quite frankly but as I learn more about the 911’s on-limit handling I find that I can induce and hold a fairly decent slide and even tank-slap my way across the skid pan (deliberately, sort of).


I try the Cayman later on the same circuit and it feels even more controllable, and even with the PSM system on the cars will still let you have fun, allowing the rear to break free a fair amount before everything is reined in. Even though this part of the circuit is designed to make the car unruly it is highly addictive, and the perfect place to learn from your mistakes.

The whole time my instructor is on hand to tell me where I am going wrong and what I need to do to correct it. Perhaps the most important lesson is to relax. Apparently without addressing the basics there is no way I can progress further. So I learn to hold the wheel looser, relax my driving position and try to flow with the car.

Is Oli S actually learning something..?
Is Oli S actually learning something..?
Meanwhile I start to anticipate what is going to happen and this in turn teaches me to think of the next corner before I arrive. Thanks to the one-to-one tuition and the low grip surfaces I probably have learnt more about car control here than anywhere else.

Taking to the short circuit around the facility, which has every type of bend you can imagine, I feel more in control and smoother.

‘This unique facility is a major investment for Porsche Cars GB and it will allow us to create a unique experience for customers that cannot be bettered in the UK market,’ said Andy Goss, managing director of Porsche Cars Great Britain. 'The two core themes that run through each guest’s experience here are learning and choice. Learning about their car and their driving, but also learning about the world of Porsche so that they can make informed choices.’

All courses start from £275 although from next year there is a way of getting it free. All you have to do is buy a Porsche, any Porsche, and a day at the centre is included in the purchase price. Or to put it another way if you pay £33K for a day at the Porsche Experience Centre, you’ll get a Boxster thrown in for free…


 

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stuart-b

Original Poster:

3,651 posts

233 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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Fantastic! What an experience.

Number 5

2,750 posts

202 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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I'm on my third day of a 997 Carrera 2 that my mate has lent me for the week, I have to say I totally understand the appeal of a 911! I have always liked them but now I respect them!

croyde

23,939 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Sounds great but like all things Porsche £550 for the day sounds a bit steep but then if it is a whole day with one to one tuition, where do I sign.

OJ

14,040 posts

235 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Interesting read. Good to hear what the facilities are like, I think I'm being sent there to make sure i'm not too fat for the season

Davey S2

13,140 posts

261 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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croyde said:
Sounds great but like all things Porsche £550 for the day sounds a bit steep but then if it is a whole day with one to one tuition, where do I sign.
But if it stops you from putting your car into a ditch and doing several thousand pounds of damage its good value.

SleeperCell

5,591 posts

249 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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croyde said:
Sounds great but like all things Porsche £550 for the day sounds a bit steep but then if it is a whole day with one to one tuition, where do I sign.
Not that bad for a whole day course, the AMG Advanced experience at Mercedes Benz world is £470 but that's only half a day.

croyde

23,939 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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OK I'm sold.

monthefish

20,456 posts

238 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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More info...


http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/PCGB_PorscheD...

Looks like its £275 per 90 minute module...

ar0u2211

184 posts

205 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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monthefish said:
Ever fancied being forced into an uncontrollable spin in a Porsche 911?
... Errr yes!

Nice write up looks good value to me thumbup

Burnham

3,668 posts

266 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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I did this on friday, 2 x sessions (car control and trackcraft)...very good day out, they are ultra professional and I woudl highly recommend it!

More info about this in the Porsche forum if you do a search.

Slagathore

5,968 posts

199 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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The GT Course!! Sounds good!!

Does anyone know if there is a minimum age for these?

Oli S

214 posts

206 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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sgathore said:
The GT Course!! Sounds good!!

Does anyone know if there is a minimum age for these?
From their website: 'All participants must be aged between 21 and 70 inclusive and have held a full UK licence for at least 2 years.'


Check here for more details - www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/sportdrivin...

Slagathore

5,968 posts

199 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Oli S said:
sgathore said:
The GT Course!! Sounds good!!

Does anyone know if there is a minimum age for these?
From their website: 'All participants must be aged between 21 and 70 inclusive and have held a full UK licence for at least 2 years.'


Check here for more details - www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/sportdrivin...
Ahh, lovely!

I may aswell forget getting a car at this rate. I reckon I can just about do without a car. That way, it'll free some money up for trackdays like that.

croyde

23,939 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Even tho' work is dire, I have this need to buy a new or newish car, but if I put the money a car, that cannot be used to its potential, depreciates, towards track days like this or exotic car hire for a few days off, surely I would be quids in.

*Fletch*

289 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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Anyone know the prices for hiring a 911 for the day as the details state:

"The programme is designed to be undertaken in your own Porsche, however, for an additional cost it is possible to use a car from the Porsche Driving Experience fleet."

monthefish

20,456 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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*Fletch* said:
Anyone know the prices for hiring a 911 for the day as the details state:

"The programme is designed to be undertaken in your own Porsche, however, for an additional cost it is possible to use a car from the Porsche Driving Experience fleet."
Porsche Driving Experience Brochure page 29


Vehicle Hire
"Vehicle Hire is included with all Porsche Driving Experience Courses. Subject to availability, participants can choose to hire a car from the dedicated Porsche Driving Experience fleet for the Porsche Sport Driving School courses."



Edited by monthefish on Thursday 22 January 11:14

mikey P 500

1,240 posts

194 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Did this on Saturday, really good fun and even in a single 90minute session learnt quite alot (the kicker plate is really difficult) the rest of the tasks are easier and teach alot about car control. There is new section of track now too. Well worth the asking price of £275. Although enjoyed it all the more for free. Thanks to pistonheads prize.