F1 2003 - What did we think?
Discussion
Overall, one has to conceed that things appear to be heading in the right direction at last. A few dull races for sure but only a few (how many dull football games do you get in a season?).
What's interesting to me is that I think the team and driver combo that won was the one that screwed up the least - rather than being the best!
BAR and Toyota could be mixing it a bit next year me thinks!
What's interesting to me is that I think the team and driver combo that won was the one that screwed up the least - rather than being the best!
BAR and Toyota could be mixing it a bit next year me thinks!
I thought it was quite a good season, good to see Schumacher have to work for his championship a bit.
Do you think they should things more interesting by deducting points from a driver if they retire? Although i guess it would be unfair to deduct points from a driver if they suffer engine blow-up, as it's the team's fault. So deduct points from the team.
Do you think they should things more interesting by deducting points from a driver if they retire? Although i guess it would be unfair to deduct points from a driver if they suffer engine blow-up, as it's the team's fault. So deduct points from the team.
g4ry13 said:
Do you think they should things more interesting by deducting points from a driver if they retire? Although i guess it would be unfair to deduct points from a driver if they suffer engine blow-up, as it's the team's fault. So deduct points from the team.
I think if they did this, you'd have drivers tip-toeing round and could probably reduce the racing. What I do think they should do is introduce points for qualifying position and fastest race lap.
Regarding TimW's Schumi comment - I know what you're saying but I think for me, I couldn't give a toss who wins as long as they have to fight and race for it and I enjoy watching - which this year, he did and I did!
I think that's what a lot of non-Motorsport fans don't get - the fact, that unlike Football, we can watch a competition and gain great pleasure regardless of who wins - providing it was a good show. All my footie mates would never dream of saying what a good game it was if their team didn't win or draw!
I reckon the FIA are patting themselves on the back because of the changes they have made gave a good season.
Thats partially true but remember the first few races, people were tripping over the 1 lap qualifying, the weather kept mixing the grid up, in brazil especially... then the points came into play. Yes the rules helped, but it was also circumstance and co-incidence that truly created a memorable season!
The only thing that spoiled it in my book was Ferrari, the way they got away with things, the smugness of the team and the general arseyness of them. Fair play they worked they butts off making the car competitive and the drivers are superb (Ruebens made a fantastic British GP) but still
Shame really.
Personally I would love to see someone give Minardi pooh-loads of cash over the winter to improve their car drastically and give some higher up teams a really big scare. The team seem to be able to spot decent drivers on the up, so it would be nice for them to have a car to match
Thats partially true but remember the first few races, people were tripping over the 1 lap qualifying, the weather kept mixing the grid up, in brazil especially... then the points came into play. Yes the rules helped, but it was also circumstance and co-incidence that truly created a memorable season!
The only thing that spoiled it in my book was Ferrari, the way they got away with things, the smugness of the team and the general arseyness of them. Fair play they worked they butts off making the car competitive and the drivers are superb (Ruebens made a fantastic British GP) but still
Shame really. Personally I would love to see someone give Minardi pooh-loads of cash over the winter to improve their car drastically and give some higher up teams a really big scare. The team seem to be able to spot decent drivers on the up, so it would be nice for them to have a car to match
It was a better season than we've had for a while with three genuinely competetive teams by the end of it, and a lot of good fights in the mid-field.
Perhaps it's just me being anti-Schumacher/Braun, but I have a bad taste in my mouth over the amount of help Ferrari seem to have had. I think it's really the tyres thing, where Bridgestone refused to supply a genuine wet weather tyre, a decision which impacted on the race-time decisions made by the FIA. That said, if Michelin can't produce a good wet tyre, that's their problem.
Perhaps it's just me being anti-Schumacher/Braun, but I have a bad taste in my mouth over the amount of help Ferrari seem to have had. I think it's really the tyres thing, where Bridgestone refused to supply a genuine wet weather tyre, a decision which impacted on the race-time decisions made by the FIA. That said, if Michelin can't produce a good wet tyre, that's their problem.
Not a bad season all in all, although it was still as clouded by politics as ever. Would've been nice to see someone else win, but at least Michael had to work for it this season. Still wish Ferrari would give Rubens a level playing field though, as he proved at Silverstone how good he can be given the right circumstances.
only average in my opinion. a world championship needs at least 30 cars but they big teams wont allow privateers given the money they are spending and the smaller teams can barely survive.
the points system is a farce and there should be at least five points between 1st and 2nd... i would propose something like this.
1 = 20
2 = 15
3 = 11
4 = 8
5 = 6
6 = 4
7 = 2
8 = 1
that would certainly generate a bit more "racing" rather than the bore-a-thon that the canadian gp degenerated into this year.
cars should revert to proper gear boxes and no driver aids too. this would bring the costs down and would help reduce the number of retirements. why waste milllions developing semi-automatic gearboxes if they dont work in the races?.........
if the circuits werent so small and rubbish i would consider running f1 and f3000 together but places like the A1 ring where the laptimes are 1m 10s are a joke. f1 should be about 2m 30s lap times, big huge circuits. i saw a plan of the bahrain gp circuit and thought oh dear.......
sorry, back to this season, well the emergence of kimi and fernando was good, the occasional spirited drive from the smaller teams was also good to watch. i thought button was great all year and has proved he is worthy of a big drive soon, as for schumacher, in the end the right man won the championship. he needs some real competition though, prost and senna would have given him a sound whipping at each race. in two years time the fights between kimi and juan pablo will be entertaining. lewis hamilton will probably be on the out skirts of F1 as will piquet jr so it could be good. to be honest, i am just bored of the current drivers, you know them so well in terms of thier driving styles you can predict what will happen during a race.
the points system is a farce and there should be at least five points between 1st and 2nd... i would propose something like this.
1 = 20
2 = 15
3 = 11
4 = 8
5 = 6
6 = 4
7 = 2
8 = 1
that would certainly generate a bit more "racing" rather than the bore-a-thon that the canadian gp degenerated into this year.
cars should revert to proper gear boxes and no driver aids too. this would bring the costs down and would help reduce the number of retirements. why waste milllions developing semi-automatic gearboxes if they dont work in the races?.........
if the circuits werent so small and rubbish i would consider running f1 and f3000 together but places like the A1 ring where the laptimes are 1m 10s are a joke. f1 should be about 2m 30s lap times, big huge circuits. i saw a plan of the bahrain gp circuit and thought oh dear.......
sorry, back to this season, well the emergence of kimi and fernando was good, the occasional spirited drive from the smaller teams was also good to watch. i thought button was great all year and has proved he is worthy of a big drive soon, as for schumacher, in the end the right man won the championship. he needs some real competition though, prost and senna would have given him a sound whipping at each race. in two years time the fights between kimi and juan pablo will be entertaining. lewis hamilton will probably be on the out skirts of F1 as will piquet jr so it could be good. to be honest, i am just bored of the current drivers, you know them so well in terms of thier driving styles you can predict what will happen during a race.
k bring on Valentino Rossi Plus.
1 point for Pole Position
1 point for fastest lap
1 point for leading a lap
1 point for leading most laps
American ideas yes, but they introduced them because, pole position was never locked out by one team (like F1 this year), with fuel pit stops and
strategies team pitted at different times, this would add to the question of "when to pit?". Fastest lap would mean they would all race to the finish and leading most laps would mean someone who lead most but then broke down would get something out of it.
1 point for Pole Position
1 point for fastest lap
1 point for leading a lap
1 point for leading most laps
American ideas yes, but they introduced them because, pole position was never locked out by one team (like F1 this year), with fuel pit stops and
strategies team pitted at different times, this would add to the question of "when to pit?". Fastest lap would mean they would all race to the finish and leading most laps would mean someone who lead most but then broke down would get something out of it.FourWheelDrift said:
Plus.
1 point for Pole Position
1 point for fastest lap
1 point for leading a lap
1 point for leading most laps
I'd agree with something like that. Teams should be allowed to field three cars although one should not count toward the championship.
Oh yes longer tracks and slicks would be nice.
D.
Next year's rules are going to be agreed later on to-day...I've already posted a thread on it a few days ago.
This year I thought was very exciting
A big thumbs up to Williams and Renault who did a great job....Ferrari too - shame the Macs couldn't get their 03 car off the test track to the race track.
A very enjoyable season
This year I thought was very exciting
A big thumbs up to Williams and Renault who did a great job....Ferrari too - shame the Macs couldn't get their 03 car off the test track to the race track. A very enjoyable season
a few years back at the begining of the season i would throw a party with beer and videos for the early start and watch it live. the same it the final gp was an early morning affair.
this year, i didnt even realise last weekend was the date of the final race, and only noticed when it was posted here ( although i did watch the rerun in the afternoon)
that about sums it up...
things id like to see
1) slicks!!!!!
2) less downforce
3) tv money shared out more equally to all the teams. the current situation just makes the divide greater.
4) race to the flag.. pits stop strategy Yawn.....FFS i want to watch racing not chess...
5)independant rules enforcment by a single set of judges, not the varience from track to track...
this year, i didnt even realise last weekend was the date of the final race, and only noticed when it was posted here ( although i did watch the rerun in the afternoon)
that about sums it up...
things id like to see
1) slicks!!!!!
2) less downforce
3) tv money shared out more equally to all the teams. the current situation just makes the divide greater.
4) race to the flag.. pits stop strategy Yawn.....FFS i want to watch racing not chess...
5)independant rules enforcment by a single set of judges, not the varience from track to track...
This year has been better although some decisions of the Stewards have given the impression of favourtism towards Ferrari.
I would also like to see more drivers prepared to speak their mind, rather than spout sponsor/team friendly garbage. Can't the sponsors see that the public want warts and all, and are more likely to support a team where the press releases say it as it is.
I would also like to see more drivers prepared to speak their mind, rather than spout sponsor/team friendly garbage. Can't the sponsors see that the public want warts and all, and are more likely to support a team where the press releases say it as it is.
have a look at..
www.itv-f1.com/features/features_story/18478
kimi would have been 10 points behind MS, the top eight would have stayed the same.
D.
www.itv-f1.com/features/features_story/18478
kimi would have been 10 points behind MS, the top eight would have stayed the same.
D.
makes you realise how good it was that they changed the scoring. Jordan fluked the brazialian GP and got a load of points for it, then did nothing for the remainder. old scoring would have put them higher up but thanks to the new scoring rewarding reliability a bit more and they are right down near the bottom. BAR however, who deserved to be fifth, would have lost out sue to the number of times they finshed seventh of eighth. they should do points for qualifying and points for pole and fastest lap. i do like NASCAR when hte winner has 5000 points, makes you feel like they have done something amazing doesnt it! (though they do something like a billiaon races a season dont they?)
I think it showed the benefits of having more points on offer. though they still need to sort out the difference for the top three but i dont want to sound like a stuck record about this
I think it showed the benefits of having more points on offer. though they still need to sort out the difference for the top three but i dont want to sound like a stuck record about this
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