Why do tax payers pay more for leisure?
Why do tax payers pay more for leisure?
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Monki

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1,233 posts

221 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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A bit confused really....

Why do people who work have to pay more to use public lesiure facilities than someone who doesn't ?

e.g If you claim benefits for not working you can use leisure facilities cheaper than someone who actually works and contributes towards the tax system (an extra £2 for an hour).

But why is this? Surely it should be the same price for everyone or in an ideal world, cheaper for those working as it's their money that allowed the facility to be built in the first place?

jesusbuiltmycar

5,130 posts

284 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Monki said:
A bit confused really....

Why do people who work have to pay more to use public lesiure facilities than someone who doesn't ?

e.g If you claim benefits for not working you can use leisure facilities cheaper than someone who actually works and contributes towards the tax system (an extra £2 for an hour).

But why is this? Surely it should be the same price for everyone or in an ideal world, cheaper for those working as it's their money that allowed the facility to be built in the first place?
Because in Nu Labour La La Land every penny you earn, will ever earn and have ever earned belongs to the state, this is just another way of extracting it from you..

Eric Mc

125,675 posts

295 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Monki said:
A bit confused really....

Why do people who work have to pay more to use public lesiure facilities than someone who doesn't ?

e.g If you claim benefits for not working you can use leisure facilities cheaper than someone who actually works and contributes towards the tax system (an extra £2 for an hour).

But why is this? Surely it should be the same price for everyone or in an ideal world, cheaper for those working as it's their money that allowed the facility to be built in the first place?
You obviously assume that paying taxes should result in a better service for you personally.

It's never worked like that.

Monki

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1,233 posts

221 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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not really, I just don't see why tax payers should pay more for services that their money has provided, when someone who has contributed nothing receives a reduction.

Eric Mc

125,675 posts

295 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Monki said:
not really, I just don't see why tax payers should pay more for services that their money has provided, when someone who has contributed nothing receives a reduction.
You have raised a fundamental question on the purpose of taxation. Is it a direct payment for a service that YOU wish to use or are likely to use or is it to fund services that others can use but that you may never avail of (or even be entitled to avail of)?

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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This is exactly the same as asking why we give out benefits at all.
It is just that the benefit is a reduction in cost (cheaper leisure) rather than a simple hand out.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Its called socialism....

elster

17,517 posts

240 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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jesusbuiltmycar said:
Because in Nu Labour La La Land every penny you earn, will ever earn and have ever earned belongs to the state, this is just another way of extracting it from you..
It has been going on longer than that.

As the fact is the scroungers have more rights than you, who pays for the scroungers.

Soovy

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Deliberate policy by Labia to pander to the stinking underclass, so that they'll get voted in next time.


G'kar

3,728 posts

216 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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People who work have proper gyms to go to.

I have no problem with oiks being charged less to use a 'leisure centre' than I would be, as I have no intention of setting foot in such a place.


Soovy

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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anonymous said:
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Exactly.

Right up there with having control of the Banks, and therefore deciding which people get their house reposessed (Tories) and which get to stay in them (Labour)

Absolute sh t c nts.


MrV

2,748 posts

258 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Would the sort of scrounger we are talking about even use a leisure center ?

Munter

31,331 posts

271 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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MrV said:
Would the sort of scrounger we are talking about even use a leisure center ?
They do a cheap Chip Butty in the one back home.... Also you could have a shower for 40p...

Fittster

20,120 posts

243 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Why does the state provide leisure facilities?

Soovy

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Fittster said:
Why does the state provide leisure facilities?
To buy votes.


AngryApples

5,449 posts

295 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Soovy said:
Deliberate policy by Labia to pander to the stinking underclass, so that they'll get voted in next time.
Whilst I find discount for UB40 offensive, I wouldnt agree with this

Most places i go have offered this discount for years

tomTVR

6,909 posts

271 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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It's the same with buses, old people can use them for free yet it would cost me £2.70 to get to town and back (4 miles)

That is if i actually used buses [/snob]

Munter

31,331 posts

271 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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tomTVR said:
It's the same with buses, old people can use them for free yet it would cost me £2.70 to get to town and back (4 miles)

That is if i actually used buses [/snob]
Thats worse. They also expect the best seats. hehe At least the leasure facilities are identical.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

274 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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Eric Mc said:
Monki said:
not really, I just don't see why tax payers should pay more for services that their money has provided, when someone who has contributed nothing receives a reduction.
You have raised a fundamental question on the purpose of taxation. Is it a direct payment for a service that YOU wish to use or are likely to use or is it to fund services that others can use but that you may never avail of (or even be entitled to avail of)?
In fairness Eric, I suspect that what Monki is aiming at is a question about the level of benefits.

Aforementioned benefits-claimants get not only the benefits paid directly to them, but other 'benefits', such as the reduced-cost leisure facilities.

It's an interesting point, and serves to highlight the fact that those on benefits have the playing field tilted firmly in their favour compared with those who earn their living, much to the disappointment of those paying their taxes.


Oli.

JJCW

2,449 posts

216 months

Friday 21st November 2008
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People on benefits should just be made to wear a t-shirt their entire life, with a huge slogan saying "I'm a leech to society, kick me"

Then they'd be less likely to be out in public, and the leisure centre problem would be solved!