Timber framed house
Discussion
We have found a style of house we want and is in our price range, we both like the idea of a Timber house but have a few questions.
How does the value of a Timber frame house compare to a regular brick house?
Is it a pain with internal walls and fitting pictures, tellys etc? I presume these need to be pre planned with the correct framework before hanging anything heavy?
Are they cheaper or more expensive to heat?
Maintenance costs etc.
Also any opinions by those who have bought them or decided against them for whatever reason.
Dave!
How does the value of a Timber frame house compare to a regular brick house?
Is it a pain with internal walls and fitting pictures, tellys etc? I presume these need to be pre planned with the correct framework before hanging anything heavy?
Are they cheaper or more expensive to heat?
Maintenance costs etc.
Also any opinions by those who have bought them or decided against them for whatever reason.
Dave!
Howitzer said:
I've only ever lived in 3 houses and all have been brick construction.
1 terraced, 2 bungalows.
Dave!
Are you sure the bungalows were all brick construction1 terraced, 2 bungalows.
Dave!
As almost all timber framed houses have a brick skin.
Basically you won't know the difference, well unless it is a modern developer type house which aren't actually timber framed more sort of matchstick framed
Howitzer said:
We have found a style of house we want and is in our price range, we both like the idea of a Timber house but have a few questions.
How does the value of a Timber frame house compare to a regular brick house?
Hang on a minuteHow does the value of a Timber frame house compare to a regular brick house?
Are we talking timber house as in the large game of jenga type log construction OR a timber framed house.
Easy way to tell - are the internal walls of the downstairs brick and load bearing? Or are they baton and plasterboard?
Thinfourth - are you in construction? Question. In a Timber Framed house does the frame remain load bearing even once the brick/breeze-block skin is up? I was wondering about how loft conversions work...as typically they bolt in a couple of HUGE steel girders that pass the weight of the loft floor/loft/and finally roof onto the walls of the house...
Thinfourth - are you in construction? Question. In a Timber Framed house does the frame remain load bearing even once the brick/breeze-block skin is up? I was wondering about how loft conversions work...as typically they bolt in a couple of HUGE steel girders that pass the weight of the loft floor/loft/and finally roof onto the walls of the house...
Don said:
Easy way to tell - are the internal walls of the downstairs brick and load bearing? Or are they baton and plasterboard?
Thinfourth - are you in construction? Question. In a Timber Framed house does the frame remain load bearing even once the brick/breeze-block skin is up? I was wondering about how loft conversions work...as typically they bolt in a couple of HUGE steel girders that pass the weight of the loft floor/loft/and finally roof onto the walls of the house...
The timber frame remains load bearing - yes.Thinfourth - are you in construction? Question. In a Timber Framed house does the frame remain load bearing even once the brick/breeze-block skin is up? I was wondering about how loft conversions work...as typically they bolt in a couple of HUGE steel girders that pass the weight of the loft floor/loft/and finally roof onto the walls of the house...
The brick skin is purely the cladding, it can even be taken down and replaced whilst your house still remains up.
Further to your first point, a brick and block house does not have to have any load bearing internal walls, with TJI joists, first floors can span +5.000m.
With regards to a loft conversion, you can get the support designed in at the initial stage, it is difficult to convert a timber framed loft as you don't have any structure to bear new floor joists onto...
Edited by JCB123 on Tuesday 18th November 09:23
Chartered surveyor here.
There is no difference in value difference between a modern (well built) timber framed house and cavity brick/block for the end consumer. the timber frames are cheaper for the developer though. less wet trades equals less time.
Some market resistance though, as you yourself are experiencing now.
If you push your chair back from the table after a hearty repast, you may put the back through the partition wall however. and don't get physical if your having a heated discussion with SWMBO.
Most modern timber frames will be more economical to run than an older (>20 year old) brick house. If in doubt about this point you now have a lovely EPC to use in order to compare running costs.
There is no difference in value difference between a modern (well built) timber framed house and cavity brick/block for the end consumer. the timber frames are cheaper for the developer though. less wet trades equals less time.
Some market resistance though, as you yourself are experiencing now.
If you push your chair back from the table after a hearty repast, you may put the back through the partition wall however. and don't get physical if your having a heated discussion with SWMBO.
Most modern timber frames will be more economical to run than an older (>20 year old) brick house. If in doubt about this point you now have a lovely EPC to use in order to compare running costs.
Easy_Targa said:
If you push your chair back from the table after a hearty repast, you may put the back through the partition wall however.
It's done in a traditionally constructed house if walls are dot and dab plasterboard!Easy_Targa said:
If in doubt about this point you now have a lovely EPC to use in order to compare running costs.
Which I am accredited to produce! (shamelss plug)Theoretically, there's no reason why timber isn't used more in the UK.
My neighbour's house is a very nice 3 storey 'challet' style house, built in 1910 and it's still standing, not worries. In the USA and Canada, timber structures are the norm and it surely must be the way ahead here too.
Timber buildings can be made to be very thermally efficient, the material can be (if it's sourced correctly, i.e not from Burma!) extremely sustainble and it's pretty easily assembled and constructed.
Perhaps when our pile it high sell it cheap housing industry is finally dead and buried we'll see new, interesting and sensible ideas emerging?
My neighbour's house is a very nice 3 storey 'challet' style house, built in 1910 and it's still standing, not worries. In the USA and Canada, timber structures are the norm and it surely must be the way ahead here too.
Timber buildings can be made to be very thermally efficient, the material can be (if it's sourced correctly, i.e not from Burma!) extremely sustainble and it's pretty easily assembled and constructed.
Perhaps when our pile it high sell it cheap housing industry is finally dead and buried we'll see new, interesting and sensible ideas emerging?
bridgdav said:
I've contacted him on a different matter but it was his blog which put the idea in my head a fair while back!Sometimes it pays to be jealous, it gives you a high target to aim for haha.
Dave!
http://www.newworldtimberframe.com/index.html
Has anybody had any experience with this company at all?
They seem surprisingly cheap considering the cost of the shell and erection.
Dave!
Has anybody had any experience with this company at all?
They seem surprisingly cheap considering the cost of the shell and erection.
Dave!
(still don't like the corrugated tin roof options out there)scotal said:
Sorry to be boring, but have you checked that your favoured mortgage co are ok with timberframe, most are, some arent, some leave it to the valuers discretion.
We have only done the affordibality checks online. What we intend to borrow is lower than what we can have but we haven't been into the bank and discussed it directly yet.Dave!
Howitzer said:
scotal said:
Sorry to be boring, but have you checked that your favoured mortgage co are ok with timberframe, most are, some arent, some leave it to the valuers discretion.
We have only done the affordibality checks online. What we intend to borrow is lower than what we can have but we haven't been into the bank and discussed it directly yet.Dave!
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