Who decided to call 'red' - red and why?
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Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
I sometimes wonder that too!2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
Also, why is an Orange called an "orange" but a bannana is not a "yellow" ?
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
I'm 99% sure i know what you are on about as it is a question i have pondered from time to time myself but never thought to post up!2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
Probably not.2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
Its the cones in the eyes that discern colour, so when something is red, it absorbs everything but the red wavelength which is reflected back. The cones that recognise red send the impulse to the brain which is interpreted as what is learned to be red.
If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
I've considered this as well.2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
Would they view things like two different computer monitors with the same picture being displayed. You know, one is a bit brighter than other, maybe one computer is diplaying the reds slightly differently etc. Maybe one computer is showing blues as red and visa versa.
Maybe one computer is showing blues and reds as the same colour.... like colour blindness!!!
Edited by Piersman2 on Tuesday 11th November 12:30
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
82.. Thats the answer. 2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
But seriously, its all down to perception. Red generally is recognised is been red, unless you happen to be colour blind.
I think people perceive different shades differently.
But who knows, will we ever know?
Mission Drift said:
Who decided to call 'red' - red and why?
Anyone know? not knowing this simple fact has been getting at me for a while.
I was thinking about the word red to describe wine in other languages and some are quite similiar sounding to english so it would suggest that the orignal word is rather old and has evolved differently in various locations/cultures ?Anyone know? not knowing this simple fact has been getting at me for a while.
Plotloss said:
Its the cones in the eyes that discern colour, so when something is red, it absorbs everything but the red wavelength which is reflected back. The cones that recognise red send the impulse to the brain which is interpreted as what is learned to be red.
If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
So what your saying is basically that it was my parents fault that I call red, red myself but what if they have lied to me about the colour...?If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
Plotloss said:
Its the cones in the eyes that discern colour, so when something is red, it absorbs everything but the red wavelength which is reflected back. The cones that recognise red send the impulse to the brain which is interpreted as what is learned to be red.
If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
I think the real question is is every person's perception of vision the same... If someone had always been told that red is blue then they would still see red but describe it as blue.
I think.
I wont comment otherwise we'll end up in some sort of argument about dualism or the little man that's looking at a screen inside the head of the little man that's looking at a screen inside the head of the little man that's looking at a screen inside the head of the little man that's looking at the screen inside your head!
snotrag said:
Ahhhh heres one of my favourite puzzlers.
2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
I've ALWAYS wondered this, too.2 People look at a Ferrari. Both recognise it as Red. It is, to all intents and purposes Red. They both recognice the colour of the car as similar to the colour of, say, a Poppy, which is also Red.
BUT - are they both seeing the same colour? If person A could see through Person B's eyes, would their brain still see Red?
I reckon we must see different shades of red, at least. Who's to say that what I see as red, somebody else sees as my green.
This must be literally impossible to answer.
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